Comments on: The final nail in CANF’s coffin http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/ an island on the net without a bearded dictator Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:29:33 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: George Moneo http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94716 George Moneo Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:18:08 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94716 Poland: the exception to the rule behind the iron curtain. Poland: the exception to the rule behind the iron curtain.

]]> By: Gabriel de las Salas http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94709 Gabriel de las Salas Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:44:31 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94709 Walesa: Leader of the Solidarity Movement, a labor union. Labor unions are the perfect example of civil society. Pope John Paul II: Leader of the Roman Catholic Church. Religious organizations are another example of civil society. Walesa: Leader of the Solidarity Movement, a labor union. Labor unions are the perfect example of civil society.

Pope John Paul II: Leader of the Roman Catholic Church. Religious organizations are another example of civil society.

]]> By: FreedomForCuba http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94646 FreedomForCuba Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:44:52 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94646 I mean Lech Walesa. I mean Lech Walesa.

]]> By: FreedomForCuba http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94645 FreedomForCuba Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:43:19 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94645 "It was the triumvirate of Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope and their inflexibility against communism that overthrew the evil regimes in Eastern Europe." Honey, Please you may want to add to your list Lech Wa??sa who I suspect worked behind the scenes together with his “Paisano” the late Pope John Paul II to bring the downfall of the Soviet Union Evil Empire. I have lots of repect for these Poles, as they stood-up to the Soviet Union with their faith on our Lord Jesus Crist and defeated Communism. "It was the triumvirate of Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope and their inflexibility against communism that overthrew the evil regimes in Eastern Europe."

Honey,

Please you may want to add to your list Lech Wa??sa who I suspect worked behind the scenes together with his “Paisano” the late Pope John Paul II to bring the downfall of the Soviet Union Evil Empire.

I have lots of repect for these Poles, as they stood-up to the Soviet Union with their faith on our Lord Jesus Crist and defeated Communism.

]]> By: FreedomForCuba http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94644 FreedomForCuba Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:41:26 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94644 "It was the triumvirate of Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope and their inflexibility against communism that overthrew the evil regimes in Eastern Europe." Honey, Please you may want to add to your list Lech Wa??sa who I suspect worked behind the scenes together with his “Paisano” the late Pope John Paul II to bring the downfall of the Soviet Union Evil Empire. I have lots of repect for these Poles, as they stood-up to the Evil Soviet Union with their faith on our Lord Jesus Crist and defeated Communism. "It was the triumvirate of Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope and their inflexibility against communism that overthrew the evil regimes in Eastern Europe."

Honey,

Please you may want to add to your list Lech Wa??sa who I suspect worked behind the scenes together with his “Paisano” the late Pope John Paul II to bring the downfall of the Soviet Union Evil Empire.

I have lots of repect for these Poles, as they stood-up to the Evil Soviet Union with their faith on our Lord Jesus Crist and defeated Communism.

]]> By: Honey http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94618 Honey Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:10:48 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94618 Sorry, Gabriel. Do your homework. It was the triumvirate of Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope and their inflexibility against communism that overthrew the evil regimes in Eastern Europe. No civil societies would have been able to be set up until AFTER the destruction of the Soviet Union. We didn't start trade or tourism FIRST. It wasn't our trading wheat with them that destroyed them. It was that we confronted the evil of communism, exposed the Gulags, and strengthened our military until they could no longer keep up with us. The wall fell because they were finally powerless to stop it. Bush didn't BEGIN with trade and tourism in Iraq. He overthrew their evil regime and built up their army and police to try to keep out the bad elements. Then and only then could they be ready for a civil society to be set up. The world didn't end Apartheid in South Africa by first inviting tourists and encouraging trade. First they forged a strong cooperative embargo against that country. Why do we want to do it backwards for Cuba? Gabriel, of you want to show your knowledge, it is better not to rewrite the way things happened. Remember the adage history begins where you want it to when you want to win an argument. Sorry, Gabriel. Do your homework.
It was the triumvirate of Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope and their inflexibility against communism that overthrew the evil regimes in Eastern Europe. No civil societies would have been able to be set up until AFTER the destruction of the Soviet Union. We didn't start trade or tourism FIRST. It wasn't our trading wheat with them that destroyed them. It was that we confronted the evil of communism, exposed the Gulags, and strengthened our military until they could no longer keep up with us. The wall fell because they were finally powerless to stop it.

Bush didn't BEGIN with trade and tourism in Iraq. He overthrew their evil regime and built up their army and police to try to keep out the bad elements. Then and only then could they be ready for a civil society to be set up.

The world didn't end Apartheid in South Africa by first inviting tourists and encouraging trade. First they forged a strong cooperative embargo against that country. Why do we want to do it backwards for Cuba?

Gabriel, of you want to show your knowledge, it is better not to rewrite the way things happened. Remember the adage history begins where you want it to when you want to win an argument.

]]> By: Henry Louis Gomez http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94585 Henry Louis Gomez Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:00:12 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94585 Gabriel, I don't need an education on what happened in Eastern Europe. I'm 39 years old, I lived through that period. You are right, civil society is key. But CANF has developed a nasty habit of throwing other organizations and ideas under the bus. They NEVER tried to work with the Bush administration because the executive director was a partisan Democrat. Then they all but endorsed Obama, the Mas Family all contributed the maximum to his campaign and then Pepe Hernandez downplayed the other aspect that is important which is to maintain an official hard line. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive but he made them sound as if they were to a NYT reporter. He fucked up and that's why he was trying to spin his way out of it last night on local TV. Also, Reagan didn't say "tear down this wall so our tourists can have a good time on the other side." Yes we did a lot to support eastern European civil society but the official stance was that the Soviet Union was "an evil empire". Gabriel, I don't need an education on what happened in Eastern Europe. I'm 39 years old, I lived through that period. You are right, civil society is key. But CANF has developed a nasty habit of throwing other organizations and ideas under the bus. They NEVER tried to work with the Bush administration because the executive director was a partisan Democrat. Then they all but endorsed Obama, the Mas Family all contributed the maximum to his campaign and then Pepe Hernandez downplayed the other aspect that is important which is to maintain an official hard line. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive but he made them sound as if they were to a NYT reporter. He fucked up and that's why he was trying to spin his way out of it last night on local TV.

Also, Reagan didn't say "tear down this wall so our tourists can have a good time on the other side." Yes we did a lot to support eastern European civil society but the official stance was that the Soviet Union was "an evil empire".

]]> By: Gabriel de las Salas http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94584 Gabriel de las Salas Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:39:36 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94584 As an undergraduate student, I focused most of my studies on Eastern European history and post-communism democratic transitions. The most integral part of any thriving democracy is the presence of a strong and active civil society. Do your homework and examine the democratic transitions in Eastern Europe. You will find that it was an independent civil society that ended communism in the Warsaw Pact states. CANF's latest proposals are in line with the same reasoning that ended communism in Europe nearly two decades ago. All of their proposals are aimed at nurturing an independent civil society in Cuba. They are aimed at helping dissidents and their work fighting for democracy. Dissidents were the driving force behind democratic transitions throughout all of Eastern Europe, e.g. Walesa and the Solidarity Movement. Henry, I agree that the regime is on its last legs. That is why it is crucial for a total paradigm shift in US policy towards Cuba, so that the process can be accelerated. Further, if we help build an independent civil society right now, the transition will be much smoother because the foundation for democracy would have already been laid. History is studied so that we can learn lessons from the past. Let us look at history and realize that what CANF is now proposing simply mirrors US policy towards the former Soviet satellite states. And, as we all know, IT WORKED. As an undergraduate student, I focused most of my studies on Eastern European history and post-communism democratic transitions. The most integral part of any thriving democracy is the presence of a strong and active civil society. Do your homework and examine the democratic transitions in Eastern Europe. You will find that it was an independent civil society that ended communism in the Warsaw Pact states.

CANF's latest proposals are in line with the same reasoning that ended communism in Europe nearly two decades ago. All of their proposals are aimed at nurturing an independent civil society in Cuba. They are aimed at helping dissidents and their work fighting for democracy. Dissidents were the driving force behind democratic transitions throughout all of Eastern Europe, e.g. Walesa and the Solidarity Movement.

Henry, I agree that the regime is on its last legs. That is why it is crucial for a total paradigm shift in US policy towards Cuba, so that the process can be accelerated. Further, if we help build an independent civil society right now, the transition will be much smoother because the foundation for democracy would have already been laid.

History is studied so that we can learn lessons from the past. Let us look at history and realize that what CANF is now proposing simply mirrors US policy towards the former Soviet satellite states. And, as we all know, IT WORKED.

]]> By: Henry Louis Gomez http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94563 Henry Louis Gomez Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:18:19 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94563 Cucurucho, This regime is literally on its last legs. Thus the full court press for removal of sanctions. A defeat right now while all the conditions are favorable for the regime would be the end of it. It's the 15th round. Are we going to wait out the clock and win on the cards or are we going to throw in the towel? Cucurucho,

This regime is literally on its last legs. Thus the full court press for removal of sanctions. A defeat right now while all the conditions are favorable for the regime would be the end of it. It's the 15th round. Are we going to wait out the clock and win on the cards or are we going to throw in the towel?

]]> By: cucurucho http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94543 cucurucho Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:47:27 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94543 Jaws of victory? I'm not for lifting the embargo without concessions from la dictadura but we arent any closer to "victory" than when the embargo was put into place. Jaws of victory? I'm not for lifting the embargo without concessions from la dictadura but we arent any closer to "victory" than when the embargo was put into place.

]]> By: asombra http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94541 asombra Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:34:32 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94541 Even though CANF is no longer relevant, let alone respectable, to most Cuban-Americans, this is still a disgrace. The MSM, of course, will continue to treat CANF as if it's VERY relevant as long as CANF says the "right" things. As for the little mealy-mouthed asswipe officially heading CANF, he's simply an embarrassment, period. Even though CANF is no longer relevant, let alone respectable, to most Cuban-Americans, this is still a disgrace. The MSM, of course, will continue to treat CANF as if it's VERY relevant as long as CANF says the "right" things. As for the little mealy-mouthed asswipe officially heading CANF, he's simply an embarrassment, period.

]]> By: George Moneo http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94540 George Moneo Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:17:49 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94540 Mas Canosa's heir has sold his soul for forty pieces of silver. He is a Judas. He wants to be one of those the media looks on as an expert on Cuba -- a typical Cubanologist opining on issues Cuban. That requires a total repudiation of anything that remotely smacks of a "hard-line" or anything that lacks "nuance" as perceived by the MSM. The Cuban people be damned. The dissidents be damned. Mas Canosa's heir has sold his soul for forty pieces of silver. He is a Judas. He wants to be one of those the media looks on as an expert on Cuba -- a typical Cubanologist opining on issues Cuban. That requires a total repudiation of anything that remotely smacks of a "hard-line" or anything that lacks "nuance" as perceived by the MSM. The Cuban people be damned. The dissidents be damned.

]]> By: Rayarena http://babalublog.com/2009/04/the-final-nail-in-canfs-coffin/comment-page-1/#comment-94535 Rayarena Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:36:18 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=20013#comment-94535 The NYT writes: “It basically says previous efforts have failed — the embargo didn’t work,” said Mr. Pastor, who was President Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser for Latin America. “That, from the Cuban American National Foundation, is a very significant statement.” The disingenuous thing about the NYT's is that it doesn't mention that CANF is no longer supported by the Cuban American masses. It has basically become one of those Cuban organizations with two or three members that proports to speak for the Cuban exiles, very much in line with Menoyo's Cambio Cubano. In other words, CANF no longer enjoys the mandate of the Cuban American people. So, I don't think that this is significant at all. Anyway, Mas Santos like the Estefan's es un monstro de avaricia and I'm sure that he is only interested in business opportunities. The NYT writes:

“It basically says previous efforts have failed — the embargo didn’t work,” said Mr. Pastor, who was President Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser for Latin America. “That, from the Cuban American National Foundation, is a very significant statement.”

The disingenuous thing about the NYT's is that it doesn't mention that CANF is no longer supported by the Cuban American masses. It has basically become one of those Cuban organizations with two or three members that proports to speak for the Cuban exiles, very much in line with Menoyo's Cambio Cubano. In other words, CANF no longer enjoys the mandate of the Cuban American people. So, I don't think that this is significant at all.

Anyway, Mas Santos like the Estefan's es un monstro de avaricia and I'm sure that he is only interested in business opportunities.

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