Comments on: The Letter http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/ an island on the net without a bearded dictator Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:54:00 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Honey http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96966 Honey Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:59:24 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96966 drillanwr, I love all the regulars on babalu. This blog is my oasis of sanity in an upside down world. drillanwr,
I love all the regulars on babalu. This blog is my oasis of sanity in an upside down world.

]]> By: drillanwr http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96964 drillanwr Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:50:20 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96964 Honey - As a former geometry/trig student the only 'axiom' such opposing 'debaters' know is the circle jerk ... But that's just been my experience with debating such tail-chasing dogs ... Luvs ya, Honey! Maggie Honey -

As a former geometry/trig student the only 'axiom' such opposing 'debaters' know is the circle jerk ... But that's just been my experience with debating such tail-chasing dogs ...

Luvs ya, Honey!

Maggie

]]> By: Honey http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96963 Honey Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:44:36 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96963 I am not Spanish so the opening phrase is lost on me. If I have to elaborate the way Obama and this Congress are day by day demeaning my beloved country, screwing Israel, coddling our enemies, ignoring the efforts at free speech, assembly and democratic choice in Iran, spending money we do not have in the trillions for things the government should not be doing, grabbing power and centralizing it in Washington, then there is no way you and I can have a meaningful debate. I have four axioms, like in geometry. Anyone who chooses to debate me must accept these four assumptions or I will have nothing to say to him. I use Wm. Buckley's formulation. How is it - compared to every other choice? 1. America is the greatest country in the world by any measure. 2. Israel is the greatest country in the Middle East by any measure. 3. Capitalism is the best economic system in history. 4 . Communism and variations of any kind of statism never work and must not be tried. If you disagree with any of these four points using Buckley's formulation, if you have yes, but's galore to any one of them, then go argue with someone else. You are a waste of space as far as I'm concerned. I am not Spanish so the opening phrase is lost on me.

If I have to elaborate the way Obama and this Congress are day by day demeaning my beloved country, screwing Israel, coddling our enemies, ignoring the efforts at free speech, assembly and democratic choice in Iran, spending money we do not have in the trillions for things the government should not be doing, grabbing power and centralizing it in Washington, then there is no way you and I can have a meaningful debate.

I have four axioms, like in geometry. Anyone who chooses to debate me must accept these four assumptions or I will have nothing to say to him. I use Wm. Buckley's formulation. How is it - compared to every other choice?

1. America is the greatest country in the world by any measure.
2. Israel is the greatest country in the Middle East by any measure.
3. Capitalism is the best economic system in history.
4 . Communism and variations of any kind of statism never work and must not be tried.

If you disagree with any of these four points using Buckley's formulation, if you have yes, but's galore to any one of them, then go argue with someone else. You are a waste of space as far as I'm concerned.

]]> By: caballerodeparis1 http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96962 caballerodeparis1 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:21:41 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96962 Mi muy querida Miel, From what I can gather: you believe that Glenn Beck is excitable (we agree), you believe that you too are excitable (again, we agree,) you like baloney (discrepamos), and you're upset about, well, things. This isn't the sort of meaninful debate I was hoping for. Can we try again? Mi muy querida Miel,

From what I can gather: you believe that Glenn Beck is excitable (we agree), you believe that you too are excitable (again, we agree,) you like baloney (discrepamos), and you're upset about, well, things. This isn't the sort of meaninful debate I was hoping for. Can we try again?

]]> By: Honey http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96949 Honey Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:06:56 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96949 And don't try to tell me you were only talking about Beck so the other guys are irrelevant here. Baloney. Glenn Beck is an excitable, fabulous commentator. I am excitable as well these days. I have a lot to be upset about. For me anyone, "conservatives" or whatever who is busy complaining about Rush or Beck when there is so much dangerous stuff going on on the other side is a waste of space. In our hierarchy of needs, any brave and sane person must fight the major fight these days, the daily thieving of our rights, power, and pocketbooks by the left. And don't try to tell me you were only talking about Beck so the other guys are irrelevant here. Baloney.
Glenn Beck is an excitable, fabulous commentator. I am excitable as well these days. I have a lot to be upset about.
For me anyone, "conservatives" or whatever who is busy complaining about Rush or Beck when there is so much dangerous stuff going on on the other side is a waste of space. In our hierarchy of needs, any brave and sane person must fight the major fight these days, the daily thieving of our rights, power, and pocketbooks by the left.

]]> By: Honey http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96948 Honey Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:02:55 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96948 Caballero, "These letters... actually drive us away from meaningful exchanges and debates on ideas." And we can learn all about such things from you, right? Look at the end of your original post here. And look at what you have to say about "fixed" news. How any sane person can know about Matthews and Olberman and the rest of those guys and complain only about Fox... Caballero,
"These letters... actually drive us away from meaningful exchanges and debates on ideas." And we can learn all about such things from you, right? Look at the end of your original post here. And look at what you have to say about "fixed" news. How any sane person can know about Matthews and Olberman and the rest of those guys and complain only about Fox...

]]> By: drillanwr http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96940 drillanwr Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:12:27 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96940 kghahn - Not so hard to believe. Many people simple go to the polls and vote party ... and mindlessly. In my adult voting life I have been both dem and repub ... and while registered as either/or have still voted outside my party affil. in favor of what a candidate has campaigned on. Perhaps we are now waking to the fact we need to stop taking our votes so for granted and actually listen and learn ... and vote accordingly. My own father is a life long dem ... and voted for Obama, even though I could see he was gritting his teeth doing so. I could tell he didn't want to, but recited the mantra that all blue collar voting dems do, "Democrats are for the working man" ... Well, Daddy has watched his GM stock flush away, and his retirement benefits also ... As I sat with him under the shade of his gazebo the other day to inform him of Obamacare and how it compared to socialized healthcare in other countries, and how it will be rationed ... the elderly suffering the most ... he just rubbed his brow a bit deeper and fell silent with regret. "It wasn't about the party, Daddy," I said. "It was about life as we know it ..." But I suppose your pessimism is understandable, since I didn't believe all those who claimed to have voted for Bush, but came out against him every chance they got ... especially regarding the Iraq War. I believe even one of the "Jersey Girls" was one ... kghahn -

Not so hard to believe. Many people simple go to the polls and vote party ... and mindlessly. In my adult voting life I have been both dem and repub ... and while registered as either/or have still voted outside my party affil. in favor of what a candidate has campaigned on. Perhaps we are now waking to the fact we need to stop taking our votes so for granted and actually listen and learn ... and vote accordingly.

My own father is a life long dem ... and voted for Obama, even though I could see he was gritting his teeth doing so.

I could tell he didn't want to, but recited the mantra that all blue collar voting dems do, "Democrats are for the working man" ...

Well, Daddy has watched his GM stock flush away, and his retirement benefits also ... As I sat with him under the shade of his gazebo the other day to inform him of Obamacare and how it compared to socialized healthcare in other countries, and how it will be rationed ... the elderly suffering the most ... he just rubbed his brow a bit deeper and fell silent with regret.

"It wasn't about the party, Daddy," I said. "It was about life as we know it ..."

But I suppose your pessimism is understandable, since I didn't believe all those who claimed to have voted for Bush, but came out against him every chance they got ... especially regarding the Iraq War. I believe even one of the "Jersey Girls" was one ...

]]> By: kghahn http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96937 kghahn Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:25:24 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96937 I have only one problem with the letter. The writer claims to be a life long Democrat. Yet the Democratic Party has stood against everything the writer claims to believe for my entire life, and I'm 62. A 53 year old would have turned 18 in about 1976. Could someone who believed as the writer says have chosen Carter over Ford or over Reagan? Or Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore or Kerry? How? I don't understand it. Oh, and Cabby? You sound ever bit as silly as anyone associated with Paris would be. I have only one problem with the letter. The writer claims to be a life long Democrat. Yet the Democratic Party has stood against everything the writer claims to believe for my entire life, and I'm 62. A 53 year old would have turned 18 in about 1976. Could someone who believed as the writer says have chosen Carter over Ford or over Reagan? Or Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore or Kerry? How? I don't understand it.

Oh, and Cabby?
You sound ever bit as silly as anyone associated with Paris would be.

]]> By: caballerodeparis1 http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96905 caballerodeparis1 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:19:15 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96905 Actually, George, I was running a little late this morning. Traffic into the Lincoln Tunnel was a bitch. Otherwise I would have responded to this inanity even earlier. In any event, I don't know any retarded (do we even use that word anymore?) squirrels but you never disappoint when it comes to over-the-top, Beckian comparisons. Beck is a sad and, from what I can tell from the few times I actually watch Fixed News, a profoundly disturbed man. There are a bumper crop of issues to oppose Obama on--the GM takeover, marriage equality, the too-quiet-for-my-tastes response to the current events in Iran--but these "I'm not going to take it" letters are so snooze-inducing that it may be tough to describe. For as long as there has been a media, there have been demamgogues who enable the poor souls who write these letters, making them feel like they aren't part of the problem, that they are the "silent majority" that can make America work if it weren't for all the bad people in Congress/White House/Governor's Mansion etc. Even more sad is the fact that this poor letter-writer actually believes that his pure patriotic call for American renewal is non partisan. Please! The litany of complaints reads like a list put together by the GOP. America has and has always had problems. These letters do nothing to address those problems and actually drive us away from meaningful exchanges and debates on ideas. Actually, George, I was running a little late this morning. Traffic into the Lincoln Tunnel was a bitch. Otherwise I would have responded to this inanity even earlier. In any event, I don't know any retarded (do we even use that word anymore?) squirrels but you never disappoint when it comes to over-the-top, Beckian comparisons. Beck is a sad and, from what I can tell from the few times I actually watch Fixed News, a profoundly disturbed man. There are a bumper crop of issues to oppose Obama on--the GM takeover, marriage equality, the too-quiet-for-my-tastes response to the current events in Iran--but these "I'm not going to take it" letters are so snooze-inducing that it may be tough to describe. For as long as there has been a media, there have been demamgogues who enable the poor souls who write these letters, making them feel like they aren't part of the problem, that they are the "silent majority" that can make America work if it weren't for all the bad people in Congress/White House/Governor's Mansion etc. Even more sad is the fact that this poor letter-writer actually believes that his pure patriotic call for American renewal is non partisan. Please! The litany of complaints reads like a list put together by the GOP. America has and has always had problems. These letters do nothing to address those problems and actually drive us away from meaningful exchanges and debates on ideas.

]]> By: Cubanita http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96903 Cubanita Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:35:02 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96903 Amen, drillanwr. Amen, drillanwr.

]]> By: drillanwr http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96902 drillanwr Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:27:44 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96902 Do you see the crowds in the streets in Tehran? THOSE are the numbers we had better get to ... and fast in this country. They said at first that Amydidherdad won in a 'landslide' ... Yeah, that's some landslide in the streets every day since over there. Half of the half of this country that voted for Obama out of party loyalty are finally waking up to what this guy and the party, and the repubs who lost their balls, really are, and are doing to us. There are several really big and bad things that need halted RIGHT NOW ... cap and trade, Obamacare ... and we need to open domestic drilling ASAP and build a few refineries. Time to man-up, America ... and it starts with opening your mouth and shouting at the Elected Class in this country who have waaay overstepped the terms of their job(s) as laid out in the US Constitution ... and pay grades as laid out in OUR Declaration of Independence. And ACORN needs to be abolished ... More letters like this are needed ... everyday. Do you see the crowds in the streets in Tehran?

THOSE are the numbers we had better get to ... and fast in this country.

They said at first that Amydidherdad won in a 'landslide' ... Yeah, that's some landslide in the streets every day since over there. Half of the half of this country that voted for Obama out of party loyalty are finally waking up to what this guy and the party, and the repubs who lost their balls, really are, and are doing to us. There are several really big and bad things that need halted RIGHT NOW ... cap and trade, Obamacare ... and we need to open domestic drilling ASAP and build a few refineries.

Time to man-up, America ... and it starts with opening your mouth and shouting at the Elected Class in this country who have waaay overstepped the terms of their job(s) as laid out in the US Constitution ... and pay grades as laid out in OUR Declaration of Independence.

And ACORN needs to be abolished ...

More letters like this are needed ... everyday.

]]> By: Henry Agueros http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96899 Henry Agueros Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:06:27 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96899 I can centinly add my name to that letter. I can centinly add my name to that letter.

]]> By: George Moneo http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96898 George Moneo Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:36:47 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96898 Caballero, right on schedule. Let me do to you what you just did to Glenn Beck: compared to you a retarded squirrel is a rocket scientist. Caballero, right on schedule. Let me do to you what you just did to Glenn Beck: compared to you a retarded squirrel is a rocket scientist.

]]> By: Cubanita http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96896 Cubanita Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:15:48 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96896 It has been hitting out there, everywhere since two days ago, when Glenn first read it on the radio show, I believe it was Tuesday -I posted it too. And when I did, the online petition site total number of signatures was increasing by the hundreds every time you refreshed the page. Take a look at it now: it's crashed and there is a message saying the response has been so "overwhelming" (aparently they couldn't handle the amount of people and the petition page is close, pending to reopen again. Like I wrote yesterday; we're the silent majority, no more! It has been hitting out there, everywhere since two days ago, when Glenn first read it on the radio show, I believe it was Tuesday -I posted it too. And when I did, the online petition site total number of signatures was increasing by the hundreds every time you refreshed the page.

Take a look at it now: it's crashed and there is a message saying the response has been so "overwhelming" (aparently they couldn't handle the amount of people and the petition page is close, pending to reopen again.

Like I wrote yesterday; we're the silent majority, no more!

]]> By: caballerodeparis1 http://babalublog.com/2009/06/the-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-96895 caballerodeparis1 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:03:08 +0000 http://babalublog.com/?p=23062#comment-96895 Did Beck cry when he got this letter? He loves to cry. http://gawker.com/5231807/glenn-becks-greatest-hits-his-insanity-is-very-real. Compared to this guy, Rush is Walter Lippman Did Beck cry when he got this letter? He loves to cry. http://gawker.com/5231807/glenn-becks-greatest-hits-his-insanity-is-very-real. Compared to this guy, Rush is Walter Lippman

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