Aprendiste mucho de Fidel, so my position is now in your narrow mind equated with that of a terrorist. Simply for stating a fact and I at no time have advocated for the removal of the state of Israel.

FFC (Fidel Fing Castro?)said "you forget the fact that Jews were in the area for centuries (actually much longer) and have the right to have their state ther"

From my earlier post "Jews and Arabs lived side by side in Palestine/Israel (or whatever else you want to call that geographic location) for centuries." see I didn't forget the fact you just forgot how to read. So using your logic (or lack there of) the Seminoles and Miccousukees should rule Florida (they where here for thousands of years) and we should be on the reservation, right Pale Face? Most Jews living in Israel are of European not ME descent.

Honey said "Begin and King David - The Irgun called up the hotel and told the people inside to leave because they were going to bomb the hotel. They were ignored. So the deaths are the fault of those occupiers".

That's classic Honey, so its ok to place bombs as long as you tell people? And that of course absolves you of any damage or death the bomb may causes. can you point out the statute that condones such behavior? Did you make the phone call or answer the phone?

"I guess Palestinian terrorism is OK with you; for you the terrorist in the Holy Land was Menachem Begin'

Fidelito for the record I think they are all terrorist and equally dispicable, the only difference between you and I is that I have no problem facing the ugly truth on both sides and you and other like you want to sweep things under the rug and pigeon hole people.

The only bomber I would excuse is one that placed one right in Fidel and/or Raul's arse. Everyone else that takes the lives of innocent civilians is a terrorist and a coward NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS.

Begin and King David - The Irgun called up the hotel and told the people inside to leave because they were going to bomb the hotel. They were ignored. So the deaths are the fault of those occupiers.
Freedom, your points about Begin were good ones.
I said I wouldn't argue with wrong assumptions. Okay, consider me responding to Freedom's response.

The problem in the Middle East is not going to be solved by removing the State of Israel; (maybe those are your wishes and the terrorist groups) but is neither the problem nor the solution in that area of the world.

If you have not learned this fact by now I doubt you ever will.

You are endorsing the hypocritical ideology that the enemies of the state of Israel use when you forget the fact that Jews were in the area for centuries (actually much longer) and have the right to have their state there.

I’m very sure that if all the Palestinians would cease their hostility towards the Jewish State the State of Israel in return will give its seal of approval towards the creation of a Palestinian State and would also help in the economic development of that state and the welfare of it's citizens.

The painful truth and the fact of the matter is that Israel has been making significant concessions to the Palestinians since the 1990s and in return the State of Israel continues getting hostility from the Palestinians as they still want the Jews to be thrown into the sea (that’s much worse than your point of the Palestinians living in their own land as second class citizens).

In my view the Palestinians deserve to live in the conditions they’re living totally until they learn to live in peace with the State of Israel and the Jewish people.

You put on emphasis on Menachem Begin’s terrorism but you fail to mention Yasser Arafat’s, Hamas (how fitting to your argument) and the other Palestinian terrorist organizations (you only mention Osama Bin Laden).

I guess Palestinian terrorism is OK with you; for you the terrorist in the Holy Land was Menachem Begin.

The funny part of it is that all the Palestinian terrorist organizations have killed (and continue killing) many more innocent people that Menachem Begin ever did in his lifetime while oppressing and killing their own Palestinian people that they claim they’re trying to liberate (that’s the ironic horseshit about these groups) and at the same time keeping them in disastrous poverty by stealing from their treasury the funds that should go to the Palestinian people.

At least you cannot claim that Menachem Begin did oppress and killed his own people and stole from their treasury.

I agree OBL and his accomplices have no excuse for their actions, my statements concern the aftermath and how we resolve the issues of the ME, which if it were not for Israel and oil would not concern the US one IOTA.
"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto". TJ

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/11/jerusalem.synagogue/index.html?section=cnn_latest

I was in junior high/senior high when the hostages were taken in Iran. I'll never forget that.

I was in Army basic training when the Marine barracks in Lebanon were bombed. I'll never forget that.

The other events, I only vaguely remember. I was mentally asleep at the wheel. I woke up again on September 11, 2001. I'll never forget that one either. Ever.

Thanks for again, an excellent post. God bless you, God bless our troops and God bless America and protect her now more than ever.

Perhaps there were Jews in Israel under the Turks, under the Romans and way, way before that ... and way before the migration into Egypt etc...(;>)

Now the twelfthers, who understand that something happened on the eleventh, are going to try to get America back on the right path.
I will be in Washington tomorrow; will anyone else?

A real turning point indeed.