“Oh, no. Socialism could never, EVER, come to the US.”
Um. Think again.
In January, Chuck Schumer and Barney Frank will propose universal voter registration. What is universal voter registration? It means all of the state laws on elections will be overriden by a federal mandate. The feds will tell the states: 'take everyone on every list of welfare that you have, take everyone on every list of unemployed you have, take everyone on every list of property owners, take everyone on every list of driver's license holders and register them to vote regardless of whether they want to be...'
Buh bye, Constitution.
I don't get it. How does voting relate to Socialism (an economic policy)?
What? Are you that dense?
That she is, Val. Like lead.
Let's try to melt some of it, because it's a reflection of the way a lot of other people think. Read the article, SG, and look @ the eighth paragraph. Is there anything the govt does that doesn't affect your economy?
So, when the feds dictate to us (as they already do to one extent or another) re ILLEGALS, WELFARE recipients, the UNEMPLOYED/EMPLOYED, PROPERTY owners, TAXES, and sundry interests that you can add/insert on that list, how can you divorce it from "govt control of distribution, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole" which is the definition of socialism?
There is no dichotomy between control of voting rights and [eventual] control of the economy = eventual control of the individual. There's ample evidence in the article of the gradual attempt to do this via legislation, if you read the background of the bills that are already in the books.
part of me has always thought that voting (like service in the military for at least 2 years) should be mandatory for all citizens - and I clearly don't like socialism as an economic policy.
Good try Gigi, but Spygirl is too educated to understand common sense.
Lots of nations have universal voter registration, and they are not really socialist and certainly not communist. Of course, the devil is in the details in how it is accomplished. But I'm not going to argue the point, who cares, I'm betting it will never happen here no matter what some scare story is saying.
Val, I wonder if Spygirl knows how to operate a microwave without burning it out? Lol.
Sunny,
Youre "betting it will never happen here?"
By "here" what planet are you referring to? Because here on Earth, in the US, it's already happening.
A "universal" healthcare bill where you can be arrested for not paying for insurance,; with what amounts to the government deciding your health via your worth to society.
A cap and Trade bill where you basically have to pay for the air you breathe.
This "universal" voter registration legislation taking away states rights and issuing a "federal mandate"
the taking over of the census bureau for gerrymandering of districts
the list is endless.
Its already happening, folks.
"Lots of nations have universal voter registration, and they are not really socialist and certainly not communist." Can you list some of those? Just to update my factlist. And one more thing, what is exactly "not really socialist"? Is that 10%, 45%, 0.7%?
Mr. Mojito,
Not one single part of me wishes to make it mandatory for every citizen to vote.
I am of exactly the reverse of your thinking.
I believe no one should be able to vote who does not pay taxes, and who cannot pass a test of a few key questions about this country.
I am disgusted with those with their hands out for welfare constantly being given the right to vote to destroy my country.
Now, how are we going to mange to take the vote away from those who pay taxes and who know all the answers to that test and vote for policies that destroy this country's constitution? I haven't figured that one out yet. I'm still trying to find the directions to John Galt's valley.
It never ceases to amaze me how a simple question can instantly trigger gross insults and the throwing of bricks from Val and George. I'm sick of it. Sick, sick sick of it.
And yes, George Moneo, I do have an education and I'm proud of it. What of it? You expect me to be ashamed that I have several degrees and read books? Apparently, we have diametrically opposite values.
Gigi, I didn't read the 8th paragraph, because I was referring to what Val posted, which was voter registration. All states have voter registrations and I believe that some countries (is it Switzerland?)the voting is mandatory.
Sppygirl,
Im sorry, but for a person with "several degrees that reads books" you sure do ask inane questions. Or perhaps they arent inane, perse, at all, just veiled condescension. And, for a person with several degrees that reads books, one would think that you would actually take the time to read the linked material, before offering up a knee jerk comment - with or without veiled agenda - that I am sure is soooo below a person with several degrees that reads books.
Im pretty sick of it , too, Spygirl. Because I can tell a lot about a person not just by what they comment but on what they dont comment on. There are a myriad of important posts here about Cuba where your commentary - I am assuming - since you have several degrees and read books, would add somewhat to the conversation and for the right reason and purpose. But you chose to comment on posts like these, where your several degrees and library of books mind strike like lightning, aiming to I suppose discredit or attack the integrity or intelligence or opinion of the writer in question.
yeah, im sick sick sick of it too. So let me put it to you this way, from this dumbass son of a welder with no degrees that uses books as paper weights:
Maybe, if you stop acting like an asshole, people wont treat you like one.
We're sick of it too, Spygirl. You come on this blog and instead of asking questions, challenging a position or contributing an opinion -- whether the same as ours or not -- you act like your shit doesn't stink and instead try to impress us with your intellect. Your condescension won't fly here and your "several degrees" don't mean jack. Being book smart doesn't equate to being educated. Read your first question again and tell me it doesn't sound like it came from a buffoon who wants to be ridiculed. Several degrees my ass.
See what I mean?
Maybe if you phrased your query properly, one of us would explain it to you. Here's an example:
"Val: I fail to see the connection that universal voter registration will lead to what you claim. Can you explain?"
See how easy that was? And it doesn't sound, despite your several degrees, like a buffoonish question.
Here's a site with a list of those countries that have decided to wade into the duty verses right to vote debate... some are socialist, some not so much.
http://www.idea.int/vt/compulsory_voting.cfm
In Canada we have no voting or registration requirement, I argue against such registration as an infringement upon choice and privacy, whether or not some think it's a duty or a right. Never mind how often we line up to vote and find no box marked "none of the above" (we ONLY have pencil y paper voting here, no "smartmatic" ect...)
Again, it's a choice of what you want in an election, and making aspects of it compulsory is a move against having choice. I may argue for having your index finger dipped in purple dye to indicate you've voted, more so in those jurisdictions having shown incompetence in only allowing 1 vote per person. In some ridings in northern Canada with large (in area) indian reserves on them, vote tallies have totaled 100% of voting aged persons. Keep in mind, in those locals we are talking about having to travel +50 miles to get to a voting station.
If you doubt it's a bad idea, only look at who is pushing for this. Know your enemy, embrace your freedom.
and... Having read some of Pamela Geller's posts regarding Obama's monetary contributors, I'd say that's something that needs its legislation firmed up on.
*nice that "spygirl" has a collection of degrees and books she's read. Is she so "sick, sick, sick" of it, that she's going to go to a corner and hold her breath until we all go away?
*maybe it's a good idea to have your blood type registered with the government insurance mother-corporation too? sometimes it's a long wait for transplants after a vicious car crash. ... along with your recent voting history. (that's sarc.).
"Communists steal your money with a gun - socialists with a vote." --Ayn Rand
"A communist is a socialist in a hurry with a gun." --John Loeffler
BTW, Spygirl, your original premise -- socialism as an economic policy -- was flawed. Think about it and write me a report.
Now, how are we going to mange to take the vote away from those who pay taxes and who know all the answers to that test and vote for policies that destroy this country's constitution? I haven't figured that one out yet. I'm still trying to find the directions to John Galt's valley.
Honey, I believe Galt lived in Colorado somewhere ... way to cold for most Cubanos
as for treasonous votes - if our reps did their job, they would never be allowed on the ballot. As for everyone voting - I usually subscribe to the thought that the more votes the better - I think it is a natural reaction to the fact that despots around the world usually hate large vote turnouts.