I hope you will forgive me but I liked the second half of this much better than the first half. Where abortion is concerned, the man had some points to make. She didn't listen. She shouted him down the way liberals shout down conservatives and won't listen. His point that once the baby is born, pro life people don't care anymore about it has a ring of truth to it. It is lovely to be pro life, but you can't force someone to have a baby unless you are going to assume the responsibility forever of the choice you have foisted on her. I did like, though, that this woman has such spunk on this subject. But the second half of the video is perfect and I would much rather the whole movie concentrate on that. But that's just me.
Honey, I agree with you, I thought the same thing while watching the video. It's fantastic that blacks are finally opening up their eyes. However it is important that "nouveau conservatives" unlearn the debating practices of liberals, that is to shout the opponent down and spew ad-hominem. I wished she would have addressed the concerns of this man, who whether misguided or not, deserved an intelligent answer.
I did enjoy her spunk and drive though. I hope she's able to reach many others.
"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." - Mother Theresa
The 'too poor to live' argument the man was giving is a canard. The truth is there are many parents in this country waiting to adopt babies/children. And without minimizing foster care with my remarks, as foster care is a great service when done by the right people, foster care in this country (in my state and/or counties within my state) is a business of the bureaucracy the local/state governments aren't willing to give up (the continual flow of federal dollars) by expediting adoptions. I know people that grew tired of waiting for adoptions and went outside the country to adopt.
For the man to impose himself on the young woman, as if she had no right to speak out against abortion if she herself hadn't adopted any babies/children, holds as much weight as those who gripe a president shouldn't take us into war if he doesn't have any sons/daughters in the military and on the battlefield frontlines. Look into most "heroes" and leaders and they more likely than not grew up in poverty. Abe Lincoln grew up in dirt-poor conditions and was abused as a child. For all the faux "hope" that was thrown about in the election campaign in the urban/black communities two years ago they fail to see they are killing true hope by not only playing into this genocide, but by not understanding their enslavement to the entitlement mentality.
The statistics (about black abortion) the young woman was giving the man are correct and would be considered 'genocide' in any other circumstance. Don't forget, these are the same people (those arguing for abortion to keep babies/children from being born and growing up poor) that claim the government/CIA introduced drugs into black communities (oddly around the same time as the abortion/welfare was instated) to have the young men kill each other off (I really don't buy into this, but stranger things have happened as we know). It would be a two front genocidal assault Margaret Sanger would be proud of. Abortion was Margaret Sanger's plan for controlling or even eliminating the black/poor population in society, yet the left holds her up like their Mother Mary.
The young woman's main point came full circle ... the welfare system is set-up to destroy the nuclear family (in this case black families). The government replaced the husband and father back in the 60s. The young black woman was pointing out the dems/left only use the black population and don't care about their thrown-away unborn. It's important because it ties so directly into the hold/control the democrats/left have had over the blacks in this country for decades. They hide behind their supposed championing of civil rights for blacks, yet their core cause is supporting the extermination of their next generation. If a 'society' doesn't value life, especially that of their own next generation, they value nothing. We are seeing this with the Islamist jihadis and how their mothers and families find it so wonderful the prospect of their son blowing himself up and murdering others for the cause ... and there the majority of them sit, dirt poor and basically fatherless too. The culture of death permeates throughout the urban communities as it does in those terrorist strongholds around the world.
If you watch the video a couple times and pay attention to the faces around the two as they argue abortion those on his side seem to be taken aback by his assertion that aborting the babies is better than having them born poor. She shouted in order to keep her voice strong and be heard by the crowd, because as we have seen so many times in the past the left always shouts down the other side so the group cannot hear the truth. She kept her composure best as she could, and stayed on point with the facts, not name calling or shouting rhetoric.
Let me add this last point: While I feel abortion is wrong (in most cases), I am not inclined to insist anyone else should agree with me. What I am against is the federal government's involvement in what should be decided state by state by the voters. Our politics have been driven far too long by this death issue. It's the main reason why Tammy Bruce walked away from NOW and liberalism, and became a conservative.
drillanwr,
It is a bizarre irony that the Supreme Court's taking up Roe v. Wade and usurping the congress's or states' rights to legislate on this subject, (this decision that the left so ardently defends and many base their whole political agenda on and make choices of whom they vote for based on the protection of this decision) is the very item that has caused this issue to become such a political football. The left hates that it is so much apart of our politics, but it would not have been were it not for this case being decided by the Court.
If it had been debated locally and legislated locally, as it should have been, it would never have become an issue that so tears us apart left vs. right.
I would like to hear more blacks speak out about the harm the welfare system, the Great Society, and the rest of the liberal social agenda have done to blacks in this country.
Star Parker is a very good one (Uncle Sam's Plantation: How Big Government Enslaves America's Poor and What We Can Do About It), and I believe she speaks from personal experience.
MLK's own niece, who was at Beck's 8/28 gathering in DC last Saturday is very good also.
It's just that for far too long only certain voices have been allowed the loudest microphones (see: Sharpton, Jackson, etc.). One message ... one agenda for the 'black' masses.
Conservative "blacks" are finally getting their footing and finding their voices. Thomas Sowell is another great one.
Walter Williams, Ward Connerly, Deroy Murdock. Yes, there are many good voices.
I want to hear more like Colonel West. People running for office and regular people. What is taking them so long to get it?
I can understand those on the dole or willing to take advantage of handouts rather than work. But why aren't as Obama likes to call them, "Working Americans" who are black getting it?
For lack of a better word/concept, they need 'de-programmed'. They have had decades of conditioning a whole population.
She said it best near the end, all these big 'poor' urban areas are run by democrats. Obama is returning to Cleveland,Ohio next week for one of his speeches. My son-in-law began his teaching career at an 'alternative' high school in Cleveland. (A school where the kids who were kicked out of every other possible school were dumped because it's state law for them to be in school.) The Cleveland city school system paid $20,000/yr/student at that school. That's friggin' college tuition!
The Democrats created these social programs that have enslaved many black people since the 1960s and guaranteed that they’ll always vote Democrat.
Instead of teaching the black people to fish, they kept handing out fish to them.
We all know the consequences of those failed policies. Unfortunately many blacks (specially in the inner cities) rather keep living on fish handout policies that learning how to fish and that’s a problem they must admit and work to resolve it.
It is up to the black people that live in this circle of life to wake-up to this reality, stop blaming the white folks for their mistakes and do whatever is necessary for them to learn how to fish and how to stay away from these fish handout programs that ultimately will lead them to nothing.
They can do it, as our country today is a far cry from the racist nation that once denied the black people the opportunity to achieve the American dream.
What I would like to see is our candidates everywhere campaigning vigorously in black areas. I'd like to see some of them take this woman along with them as they campaign.
Yep, it's the old pusher and junkie syndrome. Get them hooked and they will never vote out their supplier.
Honey -
I think that's a wonderful idea.
Did you catch the other woman basically calling the conservative woman an Uncle Tom (something about being all up in the master's kitchen ...)?
This is what black conservatives face when they try to reason with the other side. Well, you're not really 'black' ... just because they don't share the entitlement/liberal hive-think that's been woven into the black community. There is no concept of independence or personal responsibility there. Just scorn for those who dare to stand on their own and speak out against the established mind-set. There are even cases of belittling and becoming violent with those urban kids that dare to sitdown, think, and learn and do good in school. It is really rather striking the parallels between this country's urban community and what we see/hear in the Islamic territories.
Democrats run on promising a better life for these folks, but it would gravely harm democrats if these communities ever became productive, responsible, and independent. They wouldn't have "issues" to run on to bait in their votes.
drillanwr,
And doesn't that sound familiar? Take it a mere step further and you have Cuba. First make them think you are doing them good by doing for them, and robbing them of their own money and free will all the while. And how far a step is it then to Castroism?
In the late 60's when black power and afros were all the rage and liberal whites were all mea culpa, I never bought into any of that. I went to see a play called Big Time Buck White, which got its name from an obvious typo. The first act was a rambling meeting of a black group that felt it ought to have federal funding, but it wouldn't be able to get it unless it were integrated. Well, who goes to the theater? So they allowed whites to buy tickets and watch their goings on so the blacks could qualify for the funding. The second act gave the audience the right to ask questions for a price of a quarter a question. The liberals in the audience never got it that they were being the brunt of jokes and abuse. They paid their quarters and asked the most humble and absurd questions to show they "understood" or wanted to learn more. If they tried to ask a follow up, it cost them another quarter. It was a riot, but they didn't know it. One of my girlfriends, in an attempt to reason with the cast, asked, "But don't you see you must prove yourself. If an unqualified black man and a qualified white man comes in for a job, who should get the job?" The leader of the black group bellowed out, "The unqualified black man. Next question."
I went back stage with my two terrified friends to challenge them on this. About twenty black fans surrounded Dick Anthony Williams, the star who had answered my girlfriend thus. I said, "When you said that, you were kidding, right?" He said no and began to try to challenge me and trap me into submission or shame. But he didn't know what he was dealing with. As my two friends tried to hide in a corner and wanted me to leave, the black entourage put their faces in mine to try to intimidate me. They challenged me with questions to make me cower. I gave as good as I got. I will spare you the details. It was a hoot.
The end result was they actually enjoyed my sparring with them. I treated them as peers, as adults. I refused to be put down and I didn't talk down to them. In the end they saw they couldn't win with this one. But I felt they preferred my honesty and self knowledge to the bowing and scraping of the rest of the whites.
Boy, were my friends relieved to get out of there. This was the revolutionary 60's, remember when cities were being burned down. But I never felt any fear. It was fun.
Drillanwr, your excellent points well taken. Don't have much time to answer, so I'll be very brief. I'm thrilled to see someone like that young woman, I'm a hard core pro-lifer myself. I just wished she would have addressed that man's questions better so that she would not be accused of not having a reasonable response. Not that anything will ever satisfy these cretins.
The Broadway version of Big Time Buck White featured Muhammad Ali and Donald Sutherland among the performers. Honey, do you recall if they were in the cast when you saw the play, or were understudies playing their roles that night?
As for your experience with the cast, I wasn't there, but I get the feeling they were staying in character and putting you on. According to one review of the play at the time, some black critics of the play felt that Ali demeaned himself as a black hero by playing a part in the play that presented a militant leader as a buffoon.
Fuzzy_Bunny,
No, I believe I saw the original cast. Except I saw it in Philadelphia and I don't remember if that was before N.Y. or after.
It wasn't the cast that I was dealing with backstage. It was only the star and a lot of acolytes of the star.
In the play this militant leader was threatening and mocking whites. Williams stood there with his huge afro and his Dashiki and defied the audience to mess with him. I found it hilarious. Most in the audience were either appalled or intimidated.
When I was backstage, he was enjoying his fans and out of character. He was merely another black full of his sense of entitlement and, with his fans, eager to go about putting me down. Only I wasn't the regulars of his audience. I wasn't as manipulable.
THIS WOMEN IS RIGHT ON TARGET!!
I hope you will forgive me but I liked the second half of this much better than the first half. Where abortion is concerned, the man had some points to make. She didn't listen. She shouted him down the way liberals shout down conservatives and won't listen. His point that once the baby is born, pro life people don't care anymore about it has a ring of truth to it. It is lovely to be pro life, but you can't force someone to have a baby unless you are going to assume the responsibility forever of the choice you have foisted on her. I did like, though, that this woman has such spunk on this subject. But the second half of the video is perfect and I would much rather the whole movie concentrate on that. But that's just me.
Honey, I agree with you, I thought the same thing while watching the video. It's fantastic that blacks are finally opening up their eyes. However it is important that "nouveau conservatives" unlearn the debating practices of liberals, that is to shout the opponent down and spew ad-hominem. I wished she would have addressed the concerns of this man, who whether misguided or not, deserved an intelligent answer.
I did enjoy her spunk and drive though. I hope she's able to reach many others.
"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." - Mother Theresa
The 'too poor to live' argument the man was giving is a canard. The truth is there are many parents in this country waiting to adopt babies/children. And without minimizing foster care with my remarks, as foster care is a great service when done by the right people, foster care in this country (in my state and/or counties within my state) is a business of the bureaucracy the local/state governments aren't willing to give up (the continual flow of federal dollars) by expediting adoptions. I know people that grew tired of waiting for adoptions and went outside the country to adopt.
For the man to impose himself on the young woman, as if she had no right to speak out against abortion if she herself hadn't adopted any babies/children, holds as much weight as those who gripe a president shouldn't take us into war if he doesn't have any sons/daughters in the military and on the battlefield frontlines. Look into most "heroes" and leaders and they more likely than not grew up in poverty. Abe Lincoln grew up in dirt-poor conditions and was abused as a child. For all the faux "hope" that was thrown about in the election campaign in the urban/black communities two years ago they fail to see they are killing true hope by not only playing into this genocide, but by not understanding their enslavement to the entitlement mentality.
The statistics (about black abortion) the young woman was giving the man are correct and would be considered 'genocide' in any other circumstance. Don't forget, these are the same people (those arguing for abortion to keep babies/children from being born and growing up poor) that claim the government/CIA introduced drugs into black communities (oddly around the same time as the abortion/welfare was instated) to have the young men kill each other off (I really don't buy into this, but stranger things have happened as we know). It would be a two front genocidal assault Margaret Sanger would be proud of. Abortion was Margaret Sanger's plan for controlling or even eliminating the black/poor population in society, yet the left holds her up like their Mother Mary.
The young woman's main point came full circle ... the welfare system is set-up to destroy the nuclear family (in this case black families). The government replaced the husband and father back in the 60s. The young black woman was pointing out the dems/left only use the black population and don't care about their thrown-away unborn. It's important because it ties so directly into the hold/control the democrats/left have had over the blacks in this country for decades. They hide behind their supposed championing of civil rights for blacks, yet their core cause is supporting the extermination of their next generation. If a 'society' doesn't value life, especially that of their own next generation, they value nothing. We are seeing this with the Islamist jihadis and how their mothers and families find it so wonderful the prospect of their son blowing himself up and murdering others for the cause ... and there the majority of them sit, dirt poor and basically fatherless too. The culture of death permeates throughout the urban communities as it does in those terrorist strongholds around the world.
If you watch the video a couple times and pay attention to the faces around the two as they argue abortion those on his side seem to be taken aback by his assertion that aborting the babies is better than having them born poor. She shouted in order to keep her voice strong and be heard by the crowd, because as we have seen so many times in the past the left always shouts down the other side so the group cannot hear the truth. She kept her composure best as she could, and stayed on point with the facts, not name calling or shouting rhetoric.
Let me add this last point: While I feel abortion is wrong (in most cases), I am not inclined to insist anyone else should agree with me. What I am against is the federal government's involvement in what should be decided state by state by the voters. Our politics have been driven far too long by this death issue. It's the main reason why Tammy Bruce walked away from NOW and liberalism, and became a conservative.
Anyhow, that's my thunks ...
drillanwr,
It is a bizarre irony that the Supreme Court's taking up Roe v. Wade and usurping the congress's or states' rights to legislate on this subject, (this decision that the left so ardently defends and many base their whole political agenda on and make choices of whom they vote for based on the protection of this decision) is the very item that has caused this issue to become such a political football. The left hates that it is so much apart of our politics, but it would not have been were it not for this case being decided by the Court.
If it had been debated locally and legislated locally, as it should have been, it would never have become an issue that so tears us apart left vs. right.
I would like to hear more blacks speak out about the harm the welfare system, the Great Society, and the rest of the liberal social agenda have done to blacks in this country.
Honey -
Star Parker is a very good one (Uncle Sam's Plantation: How Big Government Enslaves America's Poor and What We Can Do About It), and I believe she speaks from personal experience.
MLK's own niece, who was at Beck's 8/28 gathering in DC last Saturday is very good also.
It's just that for far too long only certain voices have been allowed the loudest microphones (see: Sharpton, Jackson, etc.). One message ... one agenda for the 'black' masses.
Conservative "blacks" are finally getting their footing and finding their voices. Thomas Sowell is another great one.
Walter Williams, Ward Connerly, Deroy Murdock. Yes, there are many good voices.
I want to hear more like Colonel West. People running for office and regular people. What is taking them so long to get it?
I can understand those on the dole or willing to take advantage of handouts rather than work. But why aren't as Obama likes to call them, "Working Americans" who are black getting it?
For lack of a better word/concept, they need 'de-programmed'. They have had decades of conditioning a whole population.
She said it best near the end, all these big 'poor' urban areas are run by democrats. Obama is returning to Cleveland,Ohio next week for one of his speeches. My son-in-law began his teaching career at an 'alternative' high school in Cleveland. (A school where the kids who were kicked out of every other possible school were dumped because it's state law for them to be in school.) The Cleveland city school system paid $20,000/yr/student at that school. That's friggin' college tuition!
Ouch!
I’m glad to see a black lady who happens to be dealing with these inner cities issues on a daily basis stand-up and telling it like it is.
Unfortunately this is the truth that the Liberals and Democrats cannot handle.
drillanwr,
Yes, all of the big cities where blacks suffer a lot are run - into the ground - by democrats.
But who do they vote in anyway?
Honey -
Yep, that's exactly what she was trying to get them to understand. They keep voting themselves into poverty.
The Democrats created these social programs that have enslaved many black people since the 1960s and guaranteed that they’ll always vote Democrat.
Instead of teaching the black people to fish, they kept handing out fish to them.
We all know the consequences of those failed policies. Unfortunately many blacks (specially in the inner cities) rather keep living on fish handout policies that learning how to fish and that’s a problem they must admit and work to resolve it.
It is up to the black people that live in this circle of life to wake-up to this reality, stop blaming the white folks for their mistakes and do whatever is necessary for them to learn how to fish and how to stay away from these fish handout programs that ultimately will lead them to nothing.
They can do it, as our country today is a far cry from the racist nation that once denied the black people the opportunity to achieve the American dream.
What I would like to see is our candidates everywhere campaigning vigorously in black areas. I'd like to see some of them take this woman along with them as they campaign.
FFC -
Yep, it's the old pusher and junkie syndrome. Get them hooked and they will never vote out their supplier.
Honey -
I think that's a wonderful idea.
Did you catch the other woman basically calling the conservative woman an Uncle Tom (something about being all up in the master's kitchen ...)?
This is what black conservatives face when they try to reason with the other side. Well, you're not really 'black' ... just because they don't share the entitlement/liberal hive-think that's been woven into the black community. There is no concept of independence or personal responsibility there. Just scorn for those who dare to stand on their own and speak out against the established mind-set. There are even cases of belittling and becoming violent with those urban kids that dare to sitdown, think, and learn and do good in school. It is really rather striking the parallels between this country's urban community and what we see/hear in the Islamic territories.
Democrats run on promising a better life for these folks, but it would gravely harm democrats if these communities ever became productive, responsible, and independent. They wouldn't have "issues" to run on to bait in their votes.
drillanwr,
And doesn't that sound familiar? Take it a mere step further and you have Cuba. First make them think you are doing them good by doing for them, and robbing them of their own money and free will all the while. And how far a step is it then to Castroism?
In the late 60's when black power and afros were all the rage and liberal whites were all mea culpa, I never bought into any of that. I went to see a play called Big Time Buck White, which got its name from an obvious typo. The first act was a rambling meeting of a black group that felt it ought to have federal funding, but it wouldn't be able to get it unless it were integrated. Well, who goes to the theater? So they allowed whites to buy tickets and watch their goings on so the blacks could qualify for the funding. The second act gave the audience the right to ask questions for a price of a quarter a question. The liberals in the audience never got it that they were being the brunt of jokes and abuse. They paid their quarters and asked the most humble and absurd questions to show they "understood" or wanted to learn more. If they tried to ask a follow up, it cost them another quarter. It was a riot, but they didn't know it. One of my girlfriends, in an attempt to reason with the cast, asked, "But don't you see you must prove yourself. If an unqualified black man and a qualified white man comes in for a job, who should get the job?" The leader of the black group bellowed out, "The unqualified black man. Next question."
I went back stage with my two terrified friends to challenge them on this. About twenty black fans surrounded Dick Anthony Williams, the star who had answered my girlfriend thus. I said, "When you said that, you were kidding, right?" He said no and began to try to challenge me and trap me into submission or shame. But he didn't know what he was dealing with. As my two friends tried to hide in a corner and wanted me to leave, the black entourage put their faces in mine to try to intimidate me. They challenged me with questions to make me cower. I gave as good as I got. I will spare you the details. It was a hoot.
The end result was they actually enjoyed my sparring with them. I treated them as peers, as adults. I refused to be put down and I didn't talk down to them. In the end they saw they couldn't win with this one. But I felt they preferred my honesty and self knowledge to the bowing and scraping of the rest of the whites.
Boy, were my friends relieved to get out of there. This was the revolutionary 60's, remember when cities were being burned down. But I never felt any fear. It was fun.
Drillanwr, your excellent points well taken. Don't have much time to answer, so I'll be very brief. I'm thrilled to see someone like that young woman, I'm a hard core pro-lifer myself. I just wished she would have addressed that man's questions better so that she would not be accused of not having a reasonable response. Not that anything will ever satisfy these cretins.
The Broadway version of Big Time Buck White featured Muhammad Ali and Donald Sutherland among the performers. Honey, do you recall if they were in the cast when you saw the play, or were understudies playing their roles that night?
As for your experience with the cast, I wasn't there, but I get the feeling they were staying in character and putting you on. According to one review of the play at the time, some black critics of the play felt that Ali demeaned himself as a black hero by playing a part in the play that presented a militant leader as a buffoon.
Fuzzy_Bunny,
No, I believe I saw the original cast. Except I saw it in Philadelphia and I don't remember if that was before N.Y. or after.
It wasn't the cast that I was dealing with backstage. It was only the star and a lot of acolytes of the star.
In the play this militant leader was threatening and mocking whites. Williams stood there with his huge afro and his Dashiki and defied the audience to mess with him. I found it hilarious. Most in the audience were either appalled or intimidated.
When I was backstage, he was enjoying his fans and out of character. He was merely another black full of his sense of entitlement and, with his fans, eager to go about putting me down. Only I wasn't the regulars of his audience. I wasn't as manipulable.
Honey, don't you know fuzzy_bunny knows more than you about that play even though you were there and he wasn't?