From the WTF? department:

Michigan City OKs Amplified Islamic Prayers.

Let me get this straight now, in some places in this country there are people suing the government for the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance and for having a Christian symbol in a city’s emblem, and in other parts of this country, Islamic prayers will now be broadcast via loudspeakers five times a day?

Seriously, WTF?

17 thoughts on “From the WTF? department:”

  1. It’s easy. PC claims that “all cultures are equal”, but they really mean “all cultures are superior to Western Judeo-Christian civilization”. Once you know that code everything unlocks, including why they think Cuba is more free than the Bushitler’s US.

  2. Ayep. They consider Islam acceptable because in its most radical forms it is opposed to Christianity and (Orthodox) Judaism, which they are opposed to as well. Ironically, in an effort to cast out what they see as a threatening lion, they are cozying up to a rabid tiger. If they consider Christian morality to be oppressive, just wait ’til the radical Islamists take charge.

  3. When I initially heard about this, I thought “WTF”. But it’s not the state/city sponsoring the prayer services, it’s allowing the call to prayer to be done publicly. I really don’t see any difference between this and a church ringing it’s bells to mark the next service.

  4. My own opinion is that as long as the broadcast message isn’t obscene and doesn’t violate existing sound ordinances that it’s not something to prohibit.

    The thing that should concern us most is that this broadcast isn’t in English. How would anyone who doesn’t speak Arabic tell the difference between a loudspeaker saying “prayer is better than sleep” and “sleeper cells, get detonate bombs at 12:00 pm today downtown?”

    It’s interesting, however, to note the selective application of the First Amendment based on whether leftists believe you share their hatred of America or not.

  5. Other Mike,

    I dont agree. Churches ring their bells to call ou the time of day, for the most part. Most cities, like Miami, have restrictions on the ringing of bells. I certainly would not want to hear, via loudspeaker, chants in Arabic 5 times a day while standing in my backyard.

  6. scott,

    How many times a day do you hear the bells? every hour? In Coral Gables, for example, they only ring at noon. One ring.

    In any case, I still dont think its the same.

  7. The Catholic church my wife attends rings the bell (actually, a recording of a bell!) before each and every service. Twice a day (or three times – I’m the family heathen!) during the week and God knows how many times on Sunday. The only exceptions are the Midnight masses.

    What would be your stance if you were Catholic and a Catholic church in your neighborhood wanted to start ringing a bell 5 times a day before every service? Let’s say it’s actually the church you attend. Would you still disagree, and voice that disagreement with the Father?

  8. Ignoring for a moment that I’m hard-pressed to think of a church that holds services five times a Sunday, let alone any other day, I’m still not buying your argument, Mike. Even if the ringing of a bell is done in conjunction with the beginning of a religious service, it isn’t the same as broadcasting a spoken message. Personally, I’d be against a Christian church broadcasting a “Time to pray, everybody!” message over loudspeakers five times a day, too, and I’m a practicing Christian. I think it would just be a nuisance.

  9. AWG, if that’s your honest, non-politicized stance, I very much respect it.

    I just don’t think that’s the stance of the majority that are against it. I think most disagree because it’s Islam, not because it’s a noise/nuisance issue.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think so…..

    BTW, the church I was talking about:

    Mon-Sat: 8 am and 5:30 pm
    Sunday: 7:30am, 9am, 10:45am, 12:30pm, 5:30pm

    There’s a whole lotta prayin’ goin’ on!

  10. Mike, the vast majority of church bells are rung merely to mark the time and not to mark the beginning of church services. The Angelus bells at noon and 6 p.m. are very rare in the United States and bells ringing before Mass are not a normal practice of Catholics.

    I have to admit that I do not like the idea of the calls to prayer because it is a Muslim call to prayer. Sue me. Islam is corrupt at its core and not adaptable to American culture and principles of government.

    Val, you are right. Most cities have restrictions on the hours bells can be rung.

    By the way, hasn’t the call to prayer over loud speakers been banned in some Muslim countries for the same reason that the veil is/was banned in public buildings in Turkey, to nip the fanaticism in the bud?

  11. Val’s right. It isn’t the same as church bells. It’s the same as a church broadcasting Jerry Falwell calling “It’s time for a-pray-ing to Jay-sus-a” 5 times a day.

    My office used to be close to several churches. I never minded their bell ringing, but if they’d started broadcasting vocal calls to prayer I think I would’ve shot their speakers out.

  12. Patrick, yes, the call to prayer (amplified or not) was banned in Turkey until some time in the 90’s. The ban was lifted sometime before I was in Istanbul in 1996, because I remember hearing the muezzins shouting from the minarets plenty. If I recall, it really varied by neighborhood, though. The Turkish Republic was, of course, founded on militant secularism, so it’s VERY different from practically any other majority-Muslim country, though not quite as much as it used to be.

  13. More specifically, it’s a pretty long chant, and (shall we say) not entirely compatible with a secular nation. From LGF, the translation is:

    “Allah is great, Allah is great
    Allah is great, Allah is great

    I bear witness there is no deity but Allah
    I bear witness there is no deity but Allah

    I bear witness that Muhammad (pbuh) is the Messenger of Allah
    I bear witness that Muhammad (pbuh) is the Messenger of Allah

    Hurry to the prayer
    Hurry to the prayer

    Hurry to the success
    Hurry to the success

    Allah is great, Allah is great

    There is no deity but Allah”

    I think that would get old in a hurry, in any language, coming from any religion.

  14. The City Council unanimously passed the amendment to the noise ordinance in April after a mosque asked for permission to begin broadcasting the Arabic chants, traditionally issued five times a day.

    Willy Jones, 67, who voted at a Catholic school across the street from the al-Islah mosque, questioned the assertion by Muslim leaders that the calls are no different from church bells.

    “The church has been doing this for years. This is not calling people to prayer. It’s (giving) the time of day,” he said.

    “They’re trying to make it a big deal, but it’s not,” he said. “If you go two or three blocks, you can’t even hear it.”

    The only church bells I specifically recall hearing were bells ~11am on 187th st in the Bronx when the Mt. Carmel church rang them during the day. They may have rung the bells at other times but I don’t specifically remember it.

  15. Let me add…that I like hearing the church bells and I hear them all…day, here in suburban Jacksonville.

    On the actual Burton Terrace, for which my blog is named, a street my father grew up on south of Boston in Weymouth, the Old South Church rings its bell on the hour and it’s just something you realize after a while you can’t imagine doing without. When I visit, you never need a watch…and it never has gotten on my nerves. It’s literally 5 or 6 houses away from my relatives’ house. It’s just part of the ambience.

    I think some sort of democratic representation of a local community, their city council or neighborhood association, should be able to determine with resident’s input whether these things should be allowed. It should not be determined by a one size fits all law.–s

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