LIFT THE EMBARGO!!!!

The lifting of the embargo will cure Cuba’s ills!!!

All those goods flowing in!!!

All that information getting to the PEOPLE!!!

Cubans will get a taste of freedom!!!

The problem is the size of the spoons. fidel and his regime will still have the big ole serving spoons while ordinary Cubans will only get baby spoons.

Stick it all in a pot and see who can scoop it all out faster.

Case in point:

Cuban tourism workers told to keep their distance from foreign visitors

HAVANA (AP) – Cuba’s tourism ministry issued a resolution telling its workers to keep their mingling with foreigners to a minimum, prohibiting everything from accepting personal gifts to attending events in the homes or embassies of foreigners without written permission.

The resolution was signed by Tourism Minister Manuel Marrero in January and went into effect last week. It applies to Cubans working in tourism on the island, as well as overseas.

The action is the latest in a series of attempts by the government to further tighten state control on the island, which embraced tourism in the 1990s as a necessary evil after the fall of the Soviet Union thrust Cuba into an economic crisis.

Marrero took over as head of the tourism ministry last February after officials acknowledged serious problems in an agency that handles much of the business stemming from foreign visitors. (emph – Ed)

In case you havent heard, the “Tourism Ministry” in Cuba is run by the Ministry of Defense.

(Thanks to Alex G. and a couple others for the heads up.)

41 thoughts on “LIFT THE EMBARGO!!!!”

  1. Re: embargo-lifting, has all our dancing around with China trade-wise made that place into a free and democratic country? Are the people there now free of the fear of the knock on the door in the middle of the night? Are there newspapers there that freely and actively print their hatred for the current rulers the way our own do, without fear of anything more than some local version of Accuracy in Media accusing them of political bias?

    Or has it just flooded them with money they use to buy arms and arms-making infrastructure and proliferate the same to unstable, terrorist-enabling regimes? Just askin’.

  2. The way this regime is heading, it doesn’t even sound as though Cubans will get baby spoons if the US embargo is lifted. Look at the extent of that state control! Maybe they’ll get a lick at the dog bowl – if they’re good. But of course this would be to turn them into dogs with no human dignity. As is the first intention of fidel. The whole thing stinks and that I why I lean toward supporting dissidents like Osvaldo Paya who say the US embargo is the best tool against fidel. If fidel’s screaming and thrashing about it is a clue, maybe Senor Paya is right.

  3. What embargo???
    There are 191 member countries in the UN, are we ready to believe that just because one country (the US) has decided to hold an embargo, that Cuba cannot trade with the other 190 countries?

    If so, why is the US held by many to be solely responsible for the levels of misery, abuse, and suffering that the Cuban people have experienced for over 45 years and counting? The truth is that it has always been the failed communist
    policies and the demand economy imposed by castro on Cuba.

    Why then, is lifting the embargo so important to castro? If memory serves me correctly, it was castro who kicked the American embassador and other diplomats out of Cuba. It was fidel who stole all American, national and other foreign owned properties and investments. It was him who pawned our heritage, our patrimony and irreversely damaged the Cuban infrastructure, its trade and its credit with the free world.

    In addition his monumental ego could not admit that when it came to administration, commerce, agriculture and industry, that castro’s communists were ignorant and idealistically poorly equipped to learn what succesful capitalist and free markets do best, which is to raise the standard of living.
    To do this, would give people engaged in a 24 hr, 7 day a week struggle for survival, the time to organize and contest his terrible leadership. A very prohibited and dangerous thing for him.

    The embargo also provides castro with an evil entity, a common enemy in which he can blame all the suffering and all his failures on. One that he can rally his useful fools and give them a cause celebre. Because castro does not really want the embargo, to go away, it would take his excuses away.

    (The embargo, is nothing more than the American unwillingness to ignore castro’s past thievery, his adventurism at spreading guerrilla war, harboring terrorists. The US cannot be expected to forgive all this and act like nothing happened)

    However to take the embargo away, would provide castro with a chest beating tirade, one which he would happily deliver to his third world admirers as to how, “he alone”, after 40 some years of aggression from the “capitalistic American war-mongers” brought them to their knees and forced them to face the eeeeevil of their ways. It would further enpower castro and overinflate his already colossal ego. A win/win situation for him this embargo.

    To take the embargo away, would just accomplish one thing…..

    It would make the final disaster for Cuba, become the disaster without finality.

  4. Mock it as you will.

    When the first wave of Marielitos returned to Cuba in ’84, they supplied the first bits of information from the outside; that there was a better, different way to live.

    “…Of late, South Korean pop songs, soap operas and movies have become quite popular via Chinese cassette players and VCRs smuggled across the border.

    This exposure has also led to the realization among North Koreans that the hardships of their life are not created by “imperialists” like the United States, but from within, by their own political leaders….”

    Hmmmm….sound familar? Tourists couldn’t be taking videos, CD’s, DVD’s, magazines to influence Cubans, could they?

    Stick with the, hatred for one man policy, it has a great track record.

  5. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. And you can always get more with honey than vinegar. If we have a policy that’s been in place for over 30 years and has not achieved it’s orginal goal, then the time has come to look at other options. How can the embargo against Cuba work, if we have over 200 countries which do not agree with our stance on Cuba? When I last visited Cuba in 2004, I noticed that at the tourist restaurants, there was an abudance of food for dollars. While at the little whole in the walls say in el barrio chino, it was just rice and chicken, if they had any. I guess what I’m trying to get at is this, The embargo has not worked to topple fidel or his wannabe government. The Cuban people suffer, while the tourist are treated as gold. Let’s get rid of a policy which has not worked and try something new. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, but this system is broken, so let’s look at every possible solution to get it fixed and fixed for good.

  6. So Imh and Justiz, are you pretending to tell me, that the only country in the world that can provide betterment of life to the Cuban people is the United States?

    That the other countries of the world that Cuba trades with are inconsequential?

    That an embargo enacted by the US has such a powerful effect that it negates all economic benefits provided by the countries that currently trade with Cuba?

    That the clothing factories operated by Beneton in Cuba do not exist?

    That the old Bacardi distilleries operated now a days by French companies do not exist?

    That the fact that you can get a Cuban lobster dinner in Canada cheaper than the local grown lobster is a myth?

    That orange groves run by the Israelis in Cuba are not there?

    That petroleum distillery in Cuba of other countries’ oil which is then offloaded at New Orleans in the tankers of others countries for compsumption in the US is a Clancy fiction?

    That grain and produce from the American midwest is sold to Cuba as we speak, has not made the news?

    That all the elevator equipment, lightbulbs, furniture, steel, concrete, wire, booking and communication equipment, brochures, kitchen equipment, plumbing, nails, screws, drywall, rugs, paint, plywood used to build the Spanish, German and Canadian owned hotels were all manufactured in Cuba and not imported into Cuba from abroad?

    That the nickel, chromium and copper mines are not being run by Canadian, German, Dutch and South African companies?

    That the Japanese are not building a communications network along with the Mexican ATT subsidiary?

    And the above listed items do not include new increased trading with the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians with the payments being guaranteed by Chavez oil-for-castro-unlimited?

    That Brazil and Argentina have increased trade with Cuba and declared along with Venezuela a new sphere of economic cooperation in Latin America, all aligned against the US?

    SO, WITH ALL THIS GOING ON AND MORE, THEN WHY IS THE SO CALLED EMBARGO OF ONE COUNTRY HAVE SUCH DIRE EFFECTS???

    THEN WHY ARE ALL CONSUMMER GOODS BEING RATIONED?

    THEN WHY IS CUBAN ENTREPENEURAL INITIATIVE BEING SQUELCHED?

    AND WHY ARE TOURISTS BEING FED SO WELL, WHEN AN APARTHEID SYSTEM IS APPARENT THAT WORKS AGAINST THE AVERAGE CUBAN AND REWARDS A PRIVILEGED CLASS?

    Please tell me, using logic and without resorting to emotional nonsense…

  7. cohetedude,
    I will repeat to you what I was told in Cuba by my family. Politics are for pigs! As to all your listed items, I really don’t care as of this point if it’s fact or fiction. I do not care if Cuba trades with a billion nations on this planet and has connections to other galaxies through out the universe. There is one fact however that does come into play, and it is simply this. One nation has an embargo that was put into place well before I was ever born to get rid of a creature that is to me worse than stalin, hitler and mao combined. That one creature by the name of fidel still stands tall after 40 years of repressive power. My earlier point was how do we enforce a policy that is meant to topple a dictator, when clearly other nations have to support it as well? You yourself said that “That the clothing factories operated by Beneton in Cuba do not exist?

    That the old Bacardi distilleries operated now a days by French companies do not exist?

    That the fact that you can get a Cuban lobster dinner in Canada cheaper than the local grown lobster is a myth?

    That orange groves run by the Israelis in Cuba are not there?

    That petroleum distillery in Cuba of other countries’ oil which is then offloaded at New Orleans in the tankers of others countries for compsumption in the US is a Clancy fiction?

    That grain and produce from the American midwest is sold to Cuba as we speak, has not made the news?

    That all the elevator equipment, lightbulbs, furniture, steel, concrete, wire, booking and communication equipment, brochures, kitchen equipment, plumbing, nails, screws, drywall, rugs, paint, plywood used to build the Spanish, German and Canadian owned hotels were all manufactured in Cuba and not imported into Cuba from abroad?

    That the nickel, chromium and copper mines are not being run by Canadian, German, Dutch and South African companies?

    That the Japanese are not building a communications network along with the Mexican ATT subsidiary?

    And the above listed items do not include new increased trading with the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians with the payments being guaranteed by Chavez oil-for-castro-unlimited?

    That Brazil and Argentina have increased trade with Cuba and declared along with Venezuela a new sphere of economic cooperation in Latin America, all aligned against the US”

    If all these nations do business with Cuba, then the time has come for this nation to draw up a new plan to topple fidel. If you keep failing in a certain subject, you do not repeat the same mistakes of the past. You try something new, otherwise it seems as if this embargo is simply a political tool to gain votes at the expense of 11 million people in Cuba. Don’t get me wrong. I loath fidel castro and his thugs. But my God. 40 years and we still have to hear about him? He took power in the last century and our only plan of action to take him out was drafted in the 1960’s? The time has come for all of us who care about Cuba to come to the forefront and say enough is enough. 40 years of one policy has not worked. They’re are many roads anyone can take to get to the same destination, yet we seem to be stuck at a dead end. I don’t know about you, but as God is my wittness, I plan on living to see a change in our foregin policy, and a change in the way we conduct business on that island so that we know how to respect one another, gain one another’s trust and start real change, for the better. Next time someone talks about a Cuba Libre, it sure as hell won’t be about the drink.

  8. Just one thing if you can please clarify for me cohetedude, who exactly are the “usefull fools”, which you refered to in your earlier statement? If you are talking about the people of Cuba, then sir, I take GREAT OFFENSE. Cubans are just about the greatest people on the face of this earth. No one has the ability to say what country he or she wishes to be born in. I have spoken to people who wish to leave Cuba, as well as people who will stay put, and I do not blame either group. Why should one want to leave his/her homeland. If everyone left Cuba, who would stay to fight for change? Regardless of how we here see or feel about fidel, let us not forget that Cuba is not just about that madmam. Cuba is the country that gave us Jose Marti, Antonio Maceo, Celia Cruz, Benny More, Gloria Estefan, Desi Arnez, Kid Cholocate, Son, Danzon, Salsa, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Bacardi Rum, the list goes on and on. However, if your talking about some commie idiots, then, that’s alright.
    Please clarify. Thank you.

  9. IMH, I was born in Cuba, in 1952, I remember it all and well. I was too young to fight against castro in Playa Giron, I later fought communisn attached to US special forces as military advisors when we were trying to keep central America going the way of Nicaragua.

    I also have family in Cuba, some of them ARE useful fools and are also my first cousins. One of them is seguridad del estado, he turned in one of my other cousins which was in a castro created anti-castro cell and that’s how he landed in jail for 10 years. (He was somewhat re-educated there as he votes democrat here, (pig politics)).

    This country, the US also has and had great people and also has and had great canallas too, which use the system to their benefit. Cuba does not have a monopoly on good people either, some of the guerrillas we identified in body counts were Cuban military aids teaching central Americans how to destroy their own countries.

    I know of people over there, some that were family which are permitted to travel abroad to Europe, South America and Canada, that even had internet connections, IN CUBA, that now want to emigrate to the US and have me declare myself as their sponsor, MEMBERS OF MY OWN FAMILY. I will not and cannot, due NOT to politics which you mentioned are for pigs, but because of ethics and principles, because of duty to my own conscience and respect for my adopted country.

    Yes there are useful fools, not just in Cuba but in the rest of the world and here also. One man alone cannot start and substain a revolution, one man alone cannot put thousands to death and keep them in jail, cannot spread his poison and propaganda by himself. What castro did was possible because of enablers, because of usefull fools, and people like us here in the exilio who take our dollars and spend then to the tune of over one billion dollars a year over there feeding and supporting our loved ones so they won’t starve.

    Are we fools, yes, in a way, as there are quite a few countries with smaller GNP than that. We over here, are fueling castro, even with an embargo going on, to the tune of more than a BILLION, a year. But then, changing tactics will really help, would it??? Only in the sense that castro will need a laddle instead of a soup spoon and the people who are not in the communist privileged class will still have baby spoons.

    Pig politics have nothing to do with it on my part, I was trained to go in, overwhelm and destroy the enemy fast and secure the area for support troops and logistics. I do not do politics well. Pig politics are useful for those who like to chew bacon and grow fat from others’ misery. Imh, I hope we understand each other now, I am getting to old, have experienced much to have to explain the evident and logical over and over again to nursing neophiles and people who should know better.

  10. lmh – I think you naively believe that if the US lifted the embargo, the flow of goods would go instantly to the Cubans and they would all try to get a pair of Nikes. But the example of 190 other countries shows it is not so – goods are still kept out of the hands of ordinary Cubans and forked over to the Party Elite. All the lifting of the embargo would do is fork over MORE goods to the party elite. The mechanism for getting American, and 190 other countries’ goods over to Cuba’s people is BROKEN.

  11. Dear A.M. Mora y Leon,
    You are wrong. I know for a fact that if we lifted the embargo tomorrow, goods will not flow into the countryside, now or ever. What you guys have not made clear to me is this: IN OVER 35 YEARS THAT THIS EMBARGO WAS ENACTED, WHAT EXACTLY HAS IT ACHIEVED? Can you please answer me that?

    A.M. Mora y Leon, WHAT ARE THE SUCCESSES OF THIS EMBARGO? WHO HAS IT HELPED AND WHO HAS IT HURT?

    I think that you think that if continue to keep this embargo in place, fidel’s rule will eventually topple, when in reality it will just be old age, and God’s will, and not one thing that we have contributed. Do not forget, we are all in the same boat. We all want fidel out, but some of us are a bit more realistic about it than others.

  12. Let me be clear, when I say that you are wrong, I meant that I do not belive if this embargo is lifted, all will be fine in Cuba and people will go off to buy jeans and nikes. No offence meant.

    Again, if 190 nations are trading with Cuba, then the collective policies of 190 nations will undermine the policy of this nation. We can say, do not go to Cuba, do not trade with Cuba, do not let Cubans into the U.S. or vice versa, but how will that topple fidel when he can trade with all of Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America combined. How will our embargo, which was meant to topple fidel have any effect, when 190 other nations do business with him?
    Please let me know.

  13. Epoca shopping mall has a Fila store, and it’s open to everyone–not just the party elite. Fila is filled with Cuban youth. It’s in Centro on Neptuno, not in a tourist zone.

    The prime demo are young Cuban kids trying their best to dress American. There’s an entire wall of Ali boxing gear.

    Better a US Nike or TH store than a Euro Fila, Reebok, or Adidis outlet. Nike stuff is gold in Cuba.

    Cuba has gone from 0 to our 25th largest trading partner. The chicken I bought in CUP’s was from the US. The US sells chicken to Cuba for .18 per lb. They used to buy it from Canada for more than double, and with cheaper shipping cost.

    The 50 kilo bag of rice I bought for 485 CUP’s was stamped with a blue USA label. Years past the bag was stamped with a green Viet Nam label.

    The European and Canadian business concerns are willing to pay for the cost of a loss leader, in expectation for windfall; when the man dies or loses all his marbles. He already sounds like an old women when he speaks.

  14. Cohetedude,
    It is an honor to speak with someone who had tried to curtail the spread of communism in Latin America, or any part of the world for that matter. I would like to make it clear that my family in Cuba are not useful idiots. I guess I’m in the minority. You know life doesn’t always turn out the way we wish it to. Most of the people in Cuba today were not around when Batista was doing his thing and the Americans were doing their thing and fidel was up in the mountains with che and cienfuegos doing their thing. But here they are, traped between a rock and a hard place.

    If I may be so bold to say that at times its seems as if the hard line Cubans who came to the U.S. shortly after fidel took power in Cuba, seem to be so full of hatered and anger, that they just can’t seem to find creative and meaning full ways to change the current state of affairs. It’s as if they are like horses with blinders on, who can’t see what’s occuring to their left, or right, only what’s stright ahead. I honestly mean no disrespect by that. But I do believe the topic of discussion was in regards to the embargo. I used to be for the embargo back in the 1980’s when I didn’t know a thing about Cuba, after all, an entire community of people working together to topple an evil dictator can’t be wrong. Or can they?

    Are we not trying to work towards a common goal? Is that goal not trying to get rid of fidel by whatever means necessary? I do not understand your points of view. I’m sorry to say that. I understand that fidel has been in power for over 40 years now, and that we basically have one policy which has been in place for over 30 years now, a policy which it’s creator, President Kennedy was getting ready to disolve shortly before he was killed.

    So I guess my question for you and all the hard liners in this country is this. Who do you have issues with? Is it with fidel? or is it with the Cuban people? Beacuse the embargo does nothing, and will continue to do nothing to promote fidels downfall. However it is a tool which hurts the Cuban people just as much as fidel has. If any of you still have families in Cuba whom you wish not to have contact with, well that’s your progrative. But I have recently found my family in Cuba and I love them to death. From the ones who are in their early 20’s to the new borns. They are the one who never asked to be place in the current state of affairs which they live in.

    Another question if I may ask. How is it that here, in the United States of America, a group of vocal Cuban exiles can dictate how this country conducts business with Cuba? This is a country that was built on COMPRIME. Give and take. When one yells and screams in order to get what the policies they want into place, then you in turn become what it is that you are fighting. A DICTATOR. I live in Los Angeles, California. When La Tropicana de Cuba came here back in 1988, yeah we had some protesters, but not much to dampen our moods. It was that show which first gave me a real glimps into what Cuba was partly about. Then when Cuban bands would come in for concerts, we had no problems. Los Van Van, Buena Vista Social Club, Cuban film directors whatever. All the arguements were taking place in South Florida, while we would just be here living in peace. But now we have a policy which completely cuts off cultural trade with Cuba? How does that help to topple fidel? Don’t get me wrong. I can’t see Los Van Van in concert, no problem, I can just go to any record store and buy an album. Or am I supposed to boycott buying anything Cuban in this country because some how I’m helping fidel stay in power? How does that make any sense?

    It was a very fine line that was crossed beacuse now, I am told by my government that I can not go to Cuba except for once every 3 years. I laughed at that one. I still went to Cuba last year with my mother and plan on going back later this year. Not to Varadero, or Cayo Coco, heck if my own family memebers can’t go why should I? But to be with my family and stay with them. Not in some government owned hotel. Family is all we have. My family is not communist, socialist, or capitalist. They are HUMAN BEINGS. And I will never turn my back on them. They are not the ememy which the Cuban exiles in South Florida might have one to believe.

    You say you want a CUBA LIBRE? Well prove it. Your generation had over 40 years to try to figure it out. But your still at square one. And as sure as I know that the sun will be up tomorrow, I know that your embargo will not have worked for yet another day. No one here is getting any younger. We want Cuba to be free, but the clock is ticking, and the torch is being passed by one generation to the next. That next generation is mine. The one that is fed up with all the talk and dictorial methods used by both governments. 40 years of a madman in charge, 30 something years of an embargo which acomplished nothing, and 190 countries that just laugh at us because they interact with Cuba, which undermines our one embargo policy. Boy see you guys April 27th in Washington D.C., becuase that’s when my generations will tell members of Congress that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. TIME FOR REAL POLICIES THAT ENVOKE REAL CHANGE AND RESULTS.

    When all is said and done, what can your generation say they’ve done to topple fidel, without creating more pain and suffering to the Cuban people? Do you guys even support Osvaldo Paya and his Varala project? Or did you dismiss it because it called for changes from within the governmet?

    WHAT HAVE YOU ALL DONE LATELY TO HASSEN fidel’s DOWNFALL?

  15. One more thing please. The reason I get so disgusted with this is because, while we are here debating this issue, others put up crap like this on their web sites:

    Salsa dancing in Cuba

    CAN you really get fit with a cocktail in your hand and a Cuban dancer on your arm? Go easy on the rum and you might just manage it.

    After classes during the day at your hotel in the city of Santiago de Cuba, you hit the salsa bars by night where ‘dance tourists’ make popular partners with the locals. If you’ve got the stamina, you can shake your thing all day and all night in the home of salsa.

    CONTACT: Dance Holidays, http://www.danceholidays.com, 0870 286 6000 HOW MUCH: A week in Havana seeing the sights, followed by a dancing week in Santiago, costs Pounds 1,684. Price includes flights, accommodation, salsa tuition and, if there are odd numbers, someone to dance with.

    People are always going to try to get to Cuba in one form or another. Let’s educate these people so next time they can see what communism is all about, and not have them go with these stupid tour operators who will try to make a dump look like the garden of eden.

  16. Well, Imh, for one, I have helped to launch a few spacecraft that serve as our eyes-in-the-sky so there’s not much that castro can do out in the open that we do not know about.

    Secondarily, I and other people of my own “hard right” generation have set up agreements with leaders of American industry, goverment and have established funds to rebuild that mess down there in an orderly and humane fashion so when Cuba becomes free once again and people travel there freely again they can see the real Cuba, not some marxist-leninist facade to entertain those who harbor fantasies about Che and wear his face on a T-shirt.

    and thirdly, we keep reminding young people and young ignorant congress people that fidel is not a joke, that he is a real threat to the stability of the area, that he fosters terrorism, and mostly, that he is definitely “not cool”.

    Thats what I have been doing while a bunch of others have been trying to kill castro with kindness, may he burn in hell, after he is gagged, so he can’t give 6 hour speeches down there.

  17. I thank you for all you’ve done. Sincerley I do. But the question at hand is still this: WHAT HAS THE EMBARGO ACOMPLISHED? Please, educate me on that. I really would just like to know, WHAT HAS THE EMBARGO ACCOMPLISHED?

    If the Cuban people are suffering under fidel, yet fidel can trade with over 190 countries as others here have stated, then how does our embargo help to create a change in the Cuban government?

    Again, please just let me know, WHAT HAS THE EMBARGO ACCOMPLISHED?

  18. Gentlemen we need those who know, to engage in the topic of the U.S. embargo on Cuba. Those of you on the sideline just reading but not contributing, help us understand and find solutions to help the situation. Some of the things being discused are of limited relevance to the issue at hand. For example, Fulgencio Batista nullified the Cuban constitution and sold a large percent of Cuba’s prime real-state to wealthy Cubans and foreigners for pennies on the dollar. When wealthy Cubans arrived in Miami as political refugees in the early 1960’s, one of the first things they did, was to purchase a radio station that to this day controls the political views of approximatley one million Spanish speaking population in south Florida. These people are essentially in control of local politics and are incresing their power by electing three Cuban-American congressmen and one U.S. senator as well as affecting the presidential elections. The significance of this, is that, these elected oficials, and large voting block, whose views are controlled by the radio station are the ones who determine whether the Cuban embargo will continue. No U.S. president will risk loosing Florida’s 28 electoral votes in a presidential election. Last but not least, the three Cuban-American congressmen and senator would not be elected if it was not for the issue of the Cuban embargo. So, its not what is good for Cuba or the U.S. but rather what is good for those wealthy Cubans in south Florida, the ones that own and contol political speech in south Florida. The overwhelming U.S. population, and both houses of congress have voted to rescind the Cuban embargo. Also, for the past 13 years the United nations has voted 73 to 3 in resolution after resolution to put a stop to the Cuban embargo, but year after year, the U.S. president vetoes it, or his party does not let the resolution come up for his signature in order to keep the president from being embarrassed. I hope we can discus the politic that are unique to this issue.

  19. AND MY ANSWER KEEPS BEING IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION I ASKED FEB 26. “WHAT EMBARGO?”

    If everybody else keeps trading with Cuba and all these NIKE Shoes and chicken and rice and other goods marked “US” make their way over there, then the such called embargo has no teeth. so why are you so adamant at asking a question to which you already have an answer. Why do you say there is an embargo when everybody travels feely?

    Justiz said as follows:
    “Epoca shopping mall has a Fila store, and it’s open to everyone–not just the party elite. Fila is filled with Cuban youth. It’s in Centro on Neptuno, not in a tourist zone.
    The prime demo are young Cuban kids trying their best to dress American. There’s an entire wall of Ali boxing gear.
    Better a US Nike or TH store than a Euro Fila, Reebok, or Adidis outlet. Nike stuff is gold in Cuba.
    Cuba has gone from 0 to our 25th largest trading partner. The chicken I bought in CUP’s was from the US. The US sells chicken to Cuba for .18 per lb. They used to buy it from Canada for more than double, and with cheaper shipping cost.
    The 50 kilo bag of rice I bought for 485 CUP’s was stamped with a blue USA label. Years past the bag was stamped with a green Viet Nam label.”

    You NIMH yourself said the following:
    “I am told by my government that I can not go to Cuba except for once every 3 years. I laughed at that one. I still went to Cuba last year with my mother and plan on going back later this year. ”

    So if we can do this with impunity, then what are we bitching about?

    I really do not understand what your beef with the non-embargo is.

    One question for you, since you like to ask the same one to which you know the answer already.

    My questions to you are:

    If the so called embargo is not really effective, if it has been an exercise in futility as you indicate and fidel still keeps most of the marbles to himself that he gets from this trade, illicit or otherwise, if lets say, the Americans did not listen anymore to us terrible Miami Cubans and lifted the so-called embargo, then what do you recommend should happen and what do you think fidel would do?

    Why do you think that fidel would do anything different than what he is doing now?

    Do you think that he would have a revelation and see the wrong of his ways and stop cracking down on enterprising Cubans trying to earn over and above what the revolution lets them have?

    Do you think he will soften his anti-American hardline and stop plotting against your country since I gather you were born here and your first allegiance should be to this country?

    Do you think he will stop fostering terrorists and training them?

    Do you think he will stop researching for biologicals?

    Do you think he will resume the diplomatic relations with the US which he himself suspended, not the US back in the early 60s?

    What do you recommend should be done once the “embargo” is lifted in the manner of an American policy towards Cuba that also serves the national interests of the US as well as the well being of the Cuban people?

    How would you extend credit to a country which has a history of non-payment so that your balance of trade is equitable and your credits are not abused?

    How do you insure bilateral military controls, cooperative guidelines and non-aggresion policies, specially in the high seas?

    How will you insure that international laws are respected by Cuba once the embargo is lifted?

    How will you guarantee that human rights policies are monitored and any personnel commiting abuses are prosecuted like we did ours in Iraq?

    and lastly…
    How do we get castro to reinstall a viable Constitution, resume the Writ of Habeas Corpus, free elections in a multi party system and dismantle his police state?

    If lifting the embargo will precipitate all this in say, how about 5 years, then by all means, DO IT! and do it now! No do it yesterday!

    But please answer the above questions thoughtfully and carefully, not emotionally as I really am curious about your solutions as they might propel you to such greatness and statemanship in a way that has not been seen in a long time.

    I am waiting with baited breath….

  20. Guajiro, viejo, for a guajiro you are quite eloquent, but what I want really want to know is what you’ve been smoking. Keep repeating it to yourself and it might become the truth, just like in Cuba.

    See ya in a proletarian society, where no rich Cubans exist and castro takes what batista sold for pennies on the dollar for nothing.

  21. Interesting discussion.

    Has any group or individual ever tried a major boycott campaign against those companies that do joint ventures in the Cuban tourism industry, ie. hotel chains, retail corporations?

    I think those of us that desire change in Cuba should stop putting our energy into the embargo and work on new ideas. With so many of us, why is it that we can’t get results? Do we really need to rely on the US government, which doesn’t really care all that much about the plight of Cubans?

  22. I may know the answer to my one question, but I would like to hear it come from you, since clearly, you or anyone else has really answered it.

    Guess what cohetedude, the Cuban exile group in south Florida has lost all credibility with the rest of America when it comes to Cuban issues. Congress is getting closer and closer every year to removing this embargo, because they can see that it is a policy which has simply failed, not to mention cost the average tax payer quite a lot. After the Elian Gonzalez dissaster, I’d say it’s about time the exile Cuban community, South Flordia in particular, get a reality check and a public relations image consoltation.

    If this embargo was lifted today, I would recommend Americans go to Cuba, and see for themselves on a on hand basis what 40 years of communism has done to a once beautiful nation. Granted that you will have some who will pay no mind to the plight of the Cuban people and head off to the sands of Varadero and Cayo Largo, but that’s the risk we take. But you know what, Americans are not as naive as others may seem to think. We are a compassionate nation, as wittnesed by our outreach to those affected by the recent tsunamis of southeast Asia, and elsewhere. Americans would take to the streets of Cuba and get acquainted with her people. People talking to people. That is how you plant the seeds, which can one day grow into something better. Imagine if we could have done that 30 or even 20 or 10 years ago. People talking to people can produce results, not turning your backs on others because you don’t agree with where they’re coming from, and walking away. So cohetedude, one of your questions was what do I think fidel would do? Well let’s see, he’s already trying to clamp down on the “necessary evil” of tourism which he had to undertake due to the collapse of the Soviet Union. fidel castro is a mastermind at controling the minds of of people, but he can not control the minds of thousands of Americans who could go to Cuba, see the realities of communism, see the buildings falling down, the roads unpaved, the lines for everything, the lack of food on the store shelves,and then travel back to a free country. Just yesterday, here in Los Angeles, I saw one guy at a fast food restaurant wearing a che tee shirt, another guy walking down the street with a che backpack, a truck with a che bumper sticker, and a store selling more che tee shirts on Hollywood Blvd. Do these people know the real story of che, or just what they’ve been told or lead to believe? Have they seen the killing fields che created? How could you say to some kid who saw carlos santana wearing a che tee shirt that he is wrong, when you can not show them up close the people who have been affected by his policies and what his policies have helped to create?

    Your second question to me was why do I believe fidel would do anything differently than he does now? Simple. I never said that I believed he would do anything different. He does not care about the Cuban people, and what they go thru as long as he gets his way. I’m quite sure that if he could sacriface the entire country for his own personal gain, he would do it in a heartbeat. If he cared about his people, he would have allowed for free elections after Batista was toppled. If he cared about Cuba, he would not have sent thousands of Cubans to fight a war in Africa or Central America. If he cared about Cubans, he would not send over hundres and hundreds of doctors to Venzuela, but keep them where they are needed the most in Cuba. He would take care of his own, Repair the buildings which are in disaray, before constructing new hotels and resorts for tourist. It has not happened in over 40 years, so why should I believe that he would start now?

    Do I think that he would have a revelation which might enable him to see the evils of his ways? No again. Did hitler see the errors of his ways while he was hiding in a bunker getting ready to take his own life like the coward that he really was, while Germany was being destroyed left and right? Did stalin see the errors of his ways when he sent thousands and thousands of his own people to work in the prison camps of Siberia? Did pol pot and the khmer rouge see the errors of their ways when they forced the entire population of Cambodia into the countryside, turned Cambodia into the year zero, forced everyone to work 12-14 hour days and killed every man, woman, and child they could get their hands on? OF COURSE NOT. A madman sees things the way they want it to be, while people of reason can take in different points of view to reach a conclusion. But let’s just give these examples the benefit of doubt, and say yeah, maybe some did see the errors of their ways towards the end. I can’t say for sure as I was not with hitler in his bunker, or by stalin’s death bed or by fidel to ask him what the heck is really going on in his mind. But more than likley, the answer is no. In life, you do what ever you have to do to live. Cubans will always try to out smart the fox, it’s human nature. fidel can come back and crack down the way he always has, but that does not mean that we should stop trying.

    Do I think that fidel will soften his anti-Amerincan hardline , and stop ploting against the United States? Never in a thousand years, because that’s what keeps him going. When it seems as if a leader of a small improvished country can stand up to a larger, more powerful country, who do you think people are going to root for? Even in this country we all tend to root for the underdog. Thats how he gets respect from other leaders. Who cares what he does in his own country when he can stand up to the United States? Unfortunately thats the way the world see it. And as long as it keeps working for him, why would he change? And yes, I was born in this country. New York City, 1974, and to be very clear on this point, my first allegiance is to God, followed by my family, then my country. Got it? Family before country, whether they be in Cuba, or the United States, because its family that makes up a country, not the other way around. The United States of America is a strong nation. We are not on the brink of collapse. Our economy is strong, our democracy is strong. We’ve been here awhile and we’re not going away anytime soon. Cuba however has been ruled for almost half a century by a madman. If we continue to isolate the Cuban people, then what chance have they to overcome fidel or the next psychopath waiting in the wings? If we look the other way and say to fidel, we will not talk to you until you change, then what happens to the average Cuban in the street? It will just make it easer for fidel to do his thing.

    Do I think that fidel will stop fostering terrorist and training them, as well as stop reserching for biologicals? Again No. And some would also say that this country fosters terrorist.

    Do I believe that he will resuem diplomatic relations with the U.S. which he himself suspended back in the early 1960’s? No I don’t, But I do believe that it was both the U.S. and Cuba which suspended relations back in the early ’60’s when Eisenhower was president just before Kennedy took the oath.

    In terms of our policies towards Cuba which will serve the national interest of the U.S. and the well being of Cuba? I am not a politican. I do not see any reason in the immideate future why we would have to draft a policy which looks out to U.S. national interest in Cuba, when Cuba has nothing left, but good beaches and maybe some oil off it’s coasts. My concers would be with the Cuban people. I guarantee you sir, that will be the one of the first questions I ask the real politicans when I attend the Cuban Education Day seminars in Washington D.C. As well as your questions on credit, bilateral military controls, and the respect of international laws. As far as human rights are concerned, Before you can go into Cuba and have fidel honor human rights, which he never will, you need to go to the United Nations and revamp the entire human rights commission. People who live in glass houses can’t throw stones. As to having human righs guaranteed, it has yet to be perfected on our end. Nothing in life is ever guaranteed.

    Before you can run, you have to learn how to walk, and before you can walk you must crawl. If this embargo had actually worked, then these questions of yours would have been an item of the past.

    I look forward to your answer of my question now. WHAT EXACTLY HAS THE EMBARGO OF CUBA ACHIEVED? WHO HAS IT HURT AND WHO HAS GAINED FROM IT?

    Again, it seems to me as if the people who are for this embargo have forgotten about one important aspect. The Cuban People. You’ve been trying for so long to get rid of one individual that you are now hurting everyone and anyone just to take one guy out. No! That’s not the way to create change. I do not see how prohibiting me from visiting my family and friends, either sick or not, will help topple fidel. Will you now please answer my one question?

    P.S. Miami in the 1970’s. Travel agencies promoting family travel to Cuba being bomed is an act of terrorism. Skirting the coast of Cuba and shooting into the city of Havana with high power guns is an act of terrorism. Blowing up airplanes with innocent victims, members of an olympic team is an act of terrorism. Preventing people from attending a concert in downtown Miami by throwing bottles and rocks and shouting vulgar language at them is an act of terrorism. Don’t tell me that my country does not harbor terrorist. Because when it’s convinent to look the other way, we do. I was once on the side of the exiles in Miami. Untill that one day when Los Van Van had their concert. I was about to buy a ticket and go in to watch the show, but I decided not to and stayed outside with the protesters. Never in my life had I seen such anger, and hate. And then I went to Cuba that same year, and see the complete opposite with the Cuban people. Not the government, or the military, but the people. One more added question to all the hard line Cubans in the exile community. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU STEPED FOOT ON CUBAN SOIL? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU EVER HAD COMPASSION TOWARDS YOUR FELLOW MAN? CUBA IS MUCH MORE THAN fIDEL. IT’S MUCH MORE. PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW YOUR EMBARGO AND RESTICTIONS ON FAMILY TRAVEL WILL FOSTER CHANGE IN CUBA PLEASE.

    I AWAIT ANYBODY’S ANSWER.

  23. Uruguay, Cuba Restore Full Diplomatic Ties

    Tue Mar 1, 5:12 PM ET World – AP Latin America

    MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay – Uruguay’s new president restored full diplomatic ties with communist Cuba in one of his first acts Tuesday, more than two years after a diplomatic row divided the two Latin American countries.

    President Tabare Vazquez was joined by Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque as he made the announcement only hours after being sworn in as Uruguay’s first leftist president.

    Jorge Battle, the outgoing president, broke diplomatic relations with communist Cuba in 2002 after a war of words with Cuban leader Fidel Castro (news – web sites) following Uruguay’s decision to condemn Cuba’s human rights record in an annual U.N. vote in Geneva. The two countries had since maintained consular relations.

    I guess this makes it 191 nations that now trade with Cuba. But thats okay, we have our EMBARGO!

  24. lmh,

    Co?o, bro, cojelo suave. Let’s ty to not scream first of all and second, this isnt a forum for you to bash the Miami exile community. Want to do that? Then start your own blog.

    As for everything you have mentioned in your quite wordy comment, I suggest you do some searching in this site. Everything has been covered before.

    Man, so much bashing of the Cuban exile community you would think these guys are all plantados.

  25. For a very long time now, this has been a one sided issue. There is a great Cuban American population here in Los Angeles as well as Las Vegas, New York, Chicago and elsewhere which never really has been affected by our policies towards Cuba, we’ve been in the sidelines, that is up till now.

    This is a topic of discussion which needs to be talked about and debated on both sides. Many of our policies as well as the policies of fidel will have impact on many of the lives of our loved ones, if not ourselves.

    P.S. I know that Urugary has a new socialist president, and that Latin America is now going towards the left, but again that just means more support for you know who, and that’s something that we’re going to have to deal with.

    Let’s keep in mind that we are all in the same boat here. Some with more at risk than others. We all care about Cuba and what happens to her. And believe me I really don’t want to use this next quote, but I will because it was said before, and might sound dull, but it makes sense. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” – A. Lincoln

  26. Let’s say the embargo is pulled down tomorrow. How much in American goods can Castro really buy? How is he going to pay for it. The real debate isn’t about the embargo. It’s about giving Castro credit. And who is going to make his debts good when he can’t make the payments? The American taxpayer? I don’t think so.

    You know what embargo has achieved? In the brief period after the fall of the Soviet Union people began demonstrating in Cuba. Only then did Cuba begin to liberalize it’s economic policies at all. Then they allowed foreign investment and sent a flood of balseros to Miami to relieve the pressure. If other countries joined us, the embargo would topple the beard. No doubt in my mind. Our lifting the embargo is not a magic bullet.

  27. Case in point Hqomez, if other countries joined in our embargo, it would have worked a long time ago, but they don’t. They continue to trade and trade. Our lifting the embargo may not be the magic bullet, but neither is keeping it, due to the fact that it has not done what it was designed to do, and it will not without the cooperation of many countries.

    When the Soviets blocked Berlin, did we not organize an airlift to help the people out, or did we place an embargo on them? Knowing that we can not place an airlift on Cuba, but we can come up with new ways of doing things. Thats all. Why not try something new?

    What do we do if fidel dies tomorrow, and someone else takes his place, maybe not as worse as fidel, he’s a once in a lifetime deamon, but someone as bad as chavez. Do we continue this policy for another 10, 30, 90 years?

    I beg to differ. The embargo did not cause people to demonstrate,it was the fall of the Soviet Union, and the aid they gave fidel which grinded to a halt which caused that.

  28. You didn’t address the question of extending credit to Fidel. Also just because the rest of the world does it doesn’t mean we should. If your friend robbed a bank, would you? European countries are learning that doing business with Fidel isn’t profitable. And tourists are increasingly finding it overpriced. That’s why Castro needs us American suckers now more than ever.

  29. I’ve been reading some of the other posts. What is so different between American trade and “rest of the world trade”? Why would American trade suddenly open the eyes of the people and get them to see that their system is mierda? This whole thing is an effort to breathe a couple of a gasps of Oxygen into a decrepit and dying regime while lining the pockets of American farmers at the expense of the taxpayers.

  30. No, just because the rest of the world extends credit to fidel does not mean that we should do the same. What it means is that the United States should take the lead in producing a current, updated policy to conter Europe’s and the rest of the world policies towards Cuba to facilitate change or pave the way for transition to a democratic government. If my friend robed a bank, I would not par take, but I would not look the other way either, and pretend that nothing was going on.

    If the Europeans are finding out now that it is not profitable doing business in Cuba, then why have they resumed diplomatic ties earlier this year with Cuba? “All measures taken on June 5, 2003 have been temporarily suspended,” said Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn
    What I do know, for a fact is that tourist are not finding it increasingly overpriced. And if they are, they are still traveling down there. Which I do not condone due to the fact that the military runs the show when it comes to Cuban tourism. And the seperation between tourist and Cubans. I work for a tour operator company and I can tell you that there are many, many European, and Mexican hotel chains opening or renovating tourist hotels all over the country. You know how much a one night stay at the Parque Central would cost? An arm and a leg. But yet, they keep coming in. So whether or not tourist are finding it to be overpriced, as long as there’s a flight landing into Jose Marti International, or any other airport in Cuba, they will still continue to arrive, because the Europeans and others are investing in the infrastucture.

    I don’t believe that anyone here is saying that if we lift the embargo, the system will collapse. What we are trying to say is that we have tried this policy for over 35 years, and it has not given us any productive results. Let’s look at a different way that may or may not give positive results. We will never know if we do not try. That’s it.

  31. ANY DAY NOW. . . ANY DAY NOW. . .

    If Castro was able to survive the Special Period (and he did by the way), then he can make the country survive anything. The embargo is a joke. Canada, U.K., Spain, Venezuela, etc. doesn’t give a damn about it. With the changes in the currency, the country can keep going with this loophole it’s exploiting. And with the dollar being weak now anyways, it was wise of the Castro regime to switch to a currency system that is propped up more by Euros.

    But sure, yeah! Keep your hopes up!
    ANY DAY NOW. . . ANY DAY NOW. . .

    So how many decades have you bloqueo supporters been saying this. . .? 🙂

    IF YOU CAN’T BEAT ‘EM, JOIN ‘EM!

  32. IMH, you claim that;
    “the Cuban exile group in south Florida has lost all credibility “,
    But IMH, guess what? You seem to be the one who has lost all credibility here by doing the Kerry flip/flop.

    Oh, sorry, you probably voted his ticket, I apologize.

    I do not think you are what you claim to be, but I’ll give the benefit of the doubt, after all, born in NY and living in LA, liberal strongholds, poor baby, your Cuban genes HAVE suffered greatly, haven’t they?

    For example:

    You claimed a while back that;
    “Cubans are just about the greatest people on the face of this earth.”

    Now you’re accusing us of being terrorists by saying.
    “P.S. Miami in the 1970’s. Travel agencies promoting family travel to Cuba being bombed is an act of terrorism. Skirting the coast of Cuba and shooting into the city of Havana with high power guns is an act of terrorism. Blowing up airplanes with innocent victims, members of an olympic team is an act of terrorism. Preventing people from attending a concert in downtown Miami by throwing bottles and rocks and shouting vulgar language at them is an act of terrorism”

    But the sinking tug boats, shooting people on rafts, and having squads of repudiation is not… I think?

    I lived in Miami during the 60’s and early 70’s, had a great time, dated, went to school, and did remember rumors, that some exiles here and there had been blown up and shot and murdered by castro’s thugs operating with impunity in South Florida.

    Maybe some members of their families did not take kindly to this, after all you yourself said;
    “to be very clear on this point, my first allegiance is to God, followed by my family, then my country. Got it? Family before country, whether they be in Cuba, or the United States,”

    You indicated that we are;
    “the hard line Cubans who came to the U.S. shortly after fidel took power in Cuba, seem to be so full of hatred and anger,”

    As you’re telling us;
    “Don’t get me wrong. I loath fidel castro and his thugs.”

    Yet you wish to reward him with American dollars which he wants and needs to operate with impunity in the freeworld. AND…. pay his spies like the ones who got caught casing American military bases and working at the pentagon.

    You say you do not trust fidel, but out of the other side of your mouth you want the following; “but as God is my wittness, I plan on living to see a change in our foreign policy, and a change in the way we conduct business on that island so that we know how to respect one another, gain one another’s trust and start real change, for the better.”
    But while fidel is still there you want this, and any other efforts and methods by anybody else you label as “pig politics”.

    Even God, your witness got tired of Pharoh and a bunch of others. His tribulations always were 40 long, we are going on 46, all uphill.

    You say;
    “how will that topple fidel when he can trade with all of Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America combined. How will our embargo, which was meant to topple fidel have any effect, when 190 other nations do business with him?”

    Well he did not steal from all these other nations or killed their loved ones, he took that from us and the US.
    The embargo was not, as it sole purpose, enacted to topple fidel, it had a lot to do with having dignity, self respect and not having to become “unos arrastrados”.

    You indicated that the embargo was;
    “a policy which it’s creator, President Kennedy was getting ready to disolve shortly before he was killed.”

    Then you turn around and say;
    “But I do believe that it was both the U.S. and Cuba which suspended relations back in the early ’60’s when Eisenhower was president”

    You hint that;
    “if I may ask. How is it that here, in the United States of America, a group of vocal Cuban exiles can dictate how this country conducts business with Cuba? This is a country that was built on COMPRIME. Give and take. When one yells and screams in order to get what the policies they want into place”

    But then you quote Lincoln?

    If we had had so much power in the US as you and the guajiro claim we do, this would have been a moot point a long time ago since castro would have been kicked out by force.

    Then we all could have loved each other and sung kumbaya.

    Incredible

  33. Torpedo, you know anything about this?

    You think he might be using all those euros from the countries who do not give a damn to finance this?

    UPI

    Cuba’s Mystery Torpedo Project

    March 1, 2005:

    Cuba, despite it’s failing economy, and general impoverishment of its population, spends a lot of money on some things. Stuff like training doctors, genetic research and building torpedoes.

    This last one is kept pretty secret, but something along those lines is going on at the Cabanes Naval Base.

    What kind of torpedo?

    Modern torpedoes, like the American Mk 48, are not only very complex, but require extensive industrial infrastructure to build.

    But what if Cuba simply modified old Soviet torpedoes, like those it received with its Soviet torpedo craft, or bought them on the black market?

    Let’s say they built a truck mounted launcher, and fitted the torpedo with a wake homing guidance system for the warhead. Adding more range, plus the wake homing capability, produces a weapon with the ability to do some terrorism via torpedo.

    At night, how’s the unsuspecting passing ship even going to detect the wake homer, unless someone in a nearby warship offshore is paying close attention to their passive sonar. The U.S. Navy has equipped ships to defend against cruise missiles, but never came up with anything as effective against wake homing torpedoes.

    These weapons, first developed by the Germans during World War II, were further refined by the Russians until the present. As their name implies, the torpedo homes on its target by detecting the wave motions made by a ships wake. The Cuban’s could add length (and more fuel) to a conventional torpedo, giving it a range of 50-100 kilometers.

    Launching instructions would direct the crew to estimate the speed of passing ships, use an off the shelf GPS device to calculate coordinates the torpedo needs in order to pick up the unlucky ship’s wake.

    Enter that data into the torpedo, then launch the torpedo (from even a container rolled off a truck that was backed into the surf) and drive away.

    Within an hour, a passing ship takes a torpedo in the stern. This would badly damage a carrier, or sink smaller ships. The Cubans are probably not including any serial numbers for components going into their torpedoes.

    Remember torpedo, to look behind you when taking that nice cruise in the near future, your namesake might be there following you. Maybe the range can even be increased if we lift the embargo and fidel gets those extra dollars for the people.

    Or do you think the torpedos may get an extra ration of fuel?

  34. cohetedude

    Sir, there is a big difference between a Cuban living in Cuba, with not a cent to his name,and haveing the state deny basic human rights, a Cuban American living in the United States who has the freedom to go out and buy and do whatever he or she wants, as long as it is within the law, and a Cuban exile whom would rather see his own coutrymen suffer rather than take some constructive critism and use common sense to resolve their differences.And I will say that it’s not all exiles, those who have come in recently still have close ties to home and have a different opinion than those who came in the 1960’s. You can not accuse me of doing any type of flip flop flop flip b.s. becase while I did say that Cubans are about the best people on earth, I meant just that. Cubans. Not exile Cubans who will devour you and eat you up like piranhas simply for having a different point of view. Such as the ones who would not allow for Cuban performers to enter the U.S. The hardliners as I have stated before.

    And here’s a news flash for you. People can have hatred towards others, but still have a mind of their own to learn how to deal with that anger and get by. Yes I hate fidel, and I wish him dead. But does that mean I going to carry so much anger within me that I would justify a policy that hurts those which fidel does not care for just to get my way? No. What makes you different than fidel? Can you answer me that? He hates the U.S. Wanted the soviets to blow us up with thier missles, and if that meant blowing up Cuba as well, he would have been the first to push the button just to get his way. Kill everyone around him for his own personal Gods knows what. That is exactly what enforcing a policy against the average Cuban does. It does not help remove fidel, it just hurts those who need help the most. I really don’t know what your beef is against the Cuban people, but your going to have to learn how to deal with it.

    And if I put God before my family and country, that’s nobodys business but mine and my God. A God who is compassionate and would not be for this embargo or castro or anything of this sort.

    What exactly did fidel take from the United States? Land? Could this be the same Cuban soil which the United States took after they got involved in the Cuban war of indepedence? Land which should have gone to those Cubans who fought for their freedom only to have the U.S. come in and take it from them? Is that what your talking about? Or could you be talking about the land that the United Fruit Company took which was nationalized? Or could you be talking about your families land, just like my grandparents land which was taken from them as well. I know what it is to have land and then have it taken away. It’s hard to accept, hard to deal with, but you have to accept it in some positive form and move on. What should I do? Drive around Los Angeles wishing I still had my land, or should I go to those damn Koreans who took it from us and shoot them all? No. I know what I had, I’m greatful to God for the time I had it. I can look at it, and come up with an idea to get it back and get more of it. That’s what. Not wollow around in pity, yelling at everyone, and telling people who don’t agree with me that they’re wrong. Damn dude, I’m only 30 years old and thats a lesson I learned and learned quick on my own.

    How could you even say that this embargo had a lot to do with dignity, and self respect? What’s the defination of dignity?

    Webster defines it as:
    the quality or state of being worthy, honored, or esteemed
    2b: a legal title of nobility or honor
    Where is the honor when it comes to turning your backs on your people? How is one worthy when you do not help out those who need help? If that’s dignity, then we should have never gone into Iraq to take out sadam hussian, we should have just kept an embargo on Iraq and held our heads up high.

    Yes I did say that Kennedy was getting ready to end the embargo, and that it was both Eisenhower and castro who broke off diplomatic relatinos? So what’s your point? That is not an opinion, but fact. And I did not mean to hint at anything, I meant to say it loud and clear.

    And now you say to us that if the excile community had power in this country, fidel would have been kicked out by force? What are you rambo, or the terminator? I suppose that if you had your way, you would advocate sending in the armed forces to tople fidel at what ever cost to innocent human life. You try hard to turn my words against me, but you still have no answer to my one question. That makes you irrevelent to this issue.

    Not once have you now or ever answered the question which was put out. In case you have forgotten, it was What has the embargo acomplished. Who has it hurt and who has it helped? Like to take a stab at it? I will say this. I feel sorry for you and all those who can not appreciate a different point of view.

    And yes, I’m proud to say I did vote for Kerry. Just like I voted for Gore before him and Clinton before him, twice. You do not need to apologise for that, as there is nothing to apologise for.

    Exactly what is it that I claim to be sir? Answer me that, if you can. We know you can’t seem to answer the other question. Being born in New York and living in Los Angeles has nothing to to with my views on Cuba. I have an open mind and I can think things thru which makes me your living nightmare. Que Viva Cuba Libre, without closed narrow minded people. Maybe then we can get places.

    It is a blessing and honor that I was born in New York City. It is an honor that my family comes from Cuba and Peru. But it’s a real shame that people older than me who have experieanced more than me can not see the forrest for the trees. You can’t change people. I can’t change the way you see things and you can’t change the way I see things. But while we’re here arguing like little kids, there is an island just south of us where people, real people need us. And fidel just watches and laughs, because this is what he wants, for us to be divided while he just does his thing. That’s a real shame.

  35. First of all, I do not have any differences with the Cuban people, either here or in Cuba. So quit all your pathetic whinning as I have more right to talk about the situation in my country than you, as my first lungfull of air was Cuban air.

    I think that deciding just from seing a Van Van concert that you would seek some kind of Cuban roots or connection to satisfy and give meaning to your hybrid existence is ludicrous.

    Secondly, you are the one who is divisive, by drawing imaginary distinctions between us Cubans, just become some are here and some are there. I have my original Cuban passport, and will get it stamped by the US before I go back, when the place is free, you don’t have one.

    3rd, another thing you do not have that I have are memories, I saw, I did, I felt, I smelled Cuba before and after. All you have are a few trips as an illegal tourist and those cheap implanted false memories by the liberal castro loving American media and press.

    4th, Koreans took the land away from your grandparents? What the %$?”*&! are you talking about?

    5th, Its apparent where you’re coming from, Kerry, Gore and Clinton, taking from all the little people of the world. Guilt, guilt. guilt. Janet Reno good, Peter Pan program bad, America the bad, the big neighboorhood bully. I say bullshit to you, this country has done and is doing worldwide more than enough good to go around and offset any mistakes it has made. Don’t knock it, its humanities best bet so far!

    6th, You keep repeating the same littany over and over hoping that it will somehow become the gospel is heard enough, the truth.

    I see now that it is impossible to reason against faith, specially when its so misplaced and tainted with liberal nonsense.

    But then you’re young.

    Give me a young person who is not a liberal and I’ll give you a person with no heart.
    Give me an old man who is a liberal, and I will show you a fool.

    Winston Churchill.

    In the meantime, chill out and refrain yourself to comments about things you know about, not Cuban affairs, you’re not even one. By the way, what the hell are you, Peruvian, Korean, New Yorker, Angeleno? Because calling all the good people that compose the exilio evil pirahnas that prey on our unfortunate brothers over there is not cool at all. You have sounded all along like a plantado, like I said before, something about you does not seem right.
    This will be my last response to you as my time is too valuable to waste discussing things with a cretin.

    But remember this:
    People who dance, seem to be crazy to those who can’t hear. I do not think you can hear, you just want to be heard. So go to DC with all the other young leftists and get them to lift it. We will see what the consequences will be, you will not admit you were wrong then either, its sooo entrenched in you!

    Good bye,

    Say hello to the koreans, or is it the peruvians, maybe the cuban somewhere in there…. for me

  36. coward, opps cohetedude,

    You say I’m young? I guess that makes you old then. And like they say, you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. Your so set in your ways, far removed from reality. I do not seek to any kind of Cuban roots connection by watching a Van Van concert. But I can do get connections to my roots by traveling to Cuba and spending time with my family. My distinctions are not imaginary but very real. I guess the truth is a bitter pill for you to swallow. I may not have memories of Cuba like you do, but I can share in the memories of my mother, grandmother, grandfather, uncles, aunts, and cousins. Collectively. The last time you saw Cuba was probally when you were in your rambo gear in the Bay of Pigs.The last time I saw Cuba was 6 months ago. What you “smelled” is gone. Deal with it. Why was my trip “illegal” like you said? Who made it “illegal?” And as a tourist? Nope. I did not go to Varadero. I did not go to La Tropicana. I did notstay in any hotels. I stayed in La Vieja Linda, well outside of Havana Vieja. In the house my grandfather built. Without a phone to call anyone, ac that the government cut off form time to time, a toilet that did not flush unless you had a bucket with water to dump it in, a shower that did not work. So as a tourist? Whatever man.

    Again I never said that America is a neighborhood bully. It was just yesterday that I said “We are a compassionate nation, as wittnesed by our outreach to those affected by the recent tsunamis of southeast Asia, and elsewhere.”

    You can’t even get that right! I do give you props though. You only see what you want to see, hear what you want to hear, and you do a very good job of dancing around the issues. I have to repeat myself over and over to you because you can’t seem to get it. I guess the reason you have to use fowl language now is because you have no other recourse. It may be impossible to reason against faith, but it is impossible to reason against truth. And the truth is that your as blind as a bat. I am not a New Yorker, or an Angeleno. I was born in New York City and live in Los Angeles which makes me an American. My family comes from Cuba and Peru. I have yet to figure out what the hell you are. Since you have not answered my questions I guess I’ll have the last word here. You sir are not Cuban. Cubans have a heart and compassion for their fellow man, even when they’re being kicked in the ass by a dictator. Trying to talk to you or people like you is like talking to a wall. What a waste.

    I won’t waste my time with you either as your so close to the grave, that your irrevelent. But I will leave it at this. I will be one of the many Cuban Americans, going to Washington D.C. this April to discuss this embargo issue with our congressmen and women. We will discuss the issues, and maybe they can answer this question. Obviously this is beyond you.

    Chow rambo. Or should I say Hasta la vista?

  37. By the way, you quoted Churchill, so I guess I’ll quote Shakespeare, a fellow Brit. ” Lord what fools these mortals be. ”

    That says it all.

  38. The Embargo ain’t going anywhere until at least 2009 (or Castro dies) whichever comes first. With Bush in the white house any attempt to loosen the embargo will be vetoed. So this whole argument is REALLY moot.

    Besides nobody has answered my question about where Castro would get the money to pay for all of the American goods that are supposed to be so democratizing.

    I’m for the embargo for one simple reason. Because Castro is against it. If lifting the embargo is good for Castro then I don’t want to.

    Get it?

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