The peaks of chutzpah

As chutzpah goes, we are heading for the heights of Aconcagua. We’re up in the Andes, 22,000 feet up. It doesn’t get higher than that in this hemisphere. So up here at these elevated levels, who do we find but castro and his very own mini-me on his lap Hugo Chavez, pointing the finger at the U.S. to say that our terror war will have no credibility if we don’t hand over a Cuban exile they are after named Luis Posada Carriles.

They accuse him of blowing up a Cuban airliner with 73 people on it in 1976. I have no opinion about the merits of the case in itself. I simply don’t know.

But maybe it would help to remember what we can. In 1976 there was a Cold War on, and it was the year Gullible Jimmah Cotta began to wreck our once-great country. It was the post Watergate years, communism had triumphed in Vietnam and our navy was pulling boat people on tires and rafts from the perilous waters of the mighty South China Sea. Many of the Vietnamese refugee kids in the end washed up at my junior high school in Southern California, where I learned firsthand about life blacked out under a communist regime. Dead people. Reeducation camps. Firing squads. Confiscations. Secret escapes. Pirates on the high seas. Exile. Evil existed in 1976.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., Watergate had ushered in the era of the all-powerful mainstream media, monolithically leftwing. In Congress, the Church Committee and its ‘family jewels’ destroyed the CIA, ending U.S. intelligence capabilities around the world. As a result, the Soviet and castroite armies were on the march, knocking down domino … after domino … after domino – in Southeast Asia, through Africa, and culimating with the tanks rolling into Afghanistan by 1979. Millions and millions of people lost their freedom.

And in the middle of this long gray era of U.S. weakness, a Cuban airliner was blown out of the sky in 1976 on its takeoff from Caracas, Venezuela.

The supposed culprit was a Venezuelan Cuban (and there are a lot of them, the Cubanos who didn’t go to Miami fled to Caracas if they could) named Luis Posada Carriles who was there at the time.

Venezuela in 1976 was a strange oil empire, peaceful and friendly, but so innundated by dollars from high oil earnings (anyone remember the Arab oil embargo?) that it barely knew how to handle it. It was loaded, and its new middle class intended enjoy itself, so it was about as nouveau riche as tackiness permitted. It was also steeped in corruption – but with so much cash it didn’t really make that much difference. For Saudi Venezuela, swimming in moolah, life was beautiful.

But it wasn’t really a honest fortune built on industry, it was just extreme luck, and little was done in Venezuela to create a truly strong middle class and its needed institutions to form a bullwark against castroism. Lurking in a few Venezuelan alleyways, were leftist castro-worshippers, classic Perfect Latin American Idiots, and these fools actually wore berets to be like Che and ran around with rifles seeking communism in the Venezuelan mountains to be like Che so as to oppose ‘the establishment’ to be like Che. And like Che, they were children of the idle rich. Miguel Octavio wrote a hilarious essay (I wish I could find on his blog) about how these freaks usually came down from the mountains after a couple dozen years when they realized that no one was actually looking for them. Carlos the Jackal, who was Venezuelan, was one of these losers, and his claim to fame in the 1970s was shooting up an OPEC minister’s meeting in Vienna in the name of castro, or maybe communism, or budding Islamofascism, something. Like them, he was a poseur.

Meanwhile, the CIA was around in Venezuela, too. In David Atlee Phillips’ fascinating memoirs about covert life in the CIA in Latin America in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s (and he was involved in all the big stuff the CIA had going on at the time – Arbenz, Bay of Pigs, Allende, etc.) he wrote of his time as CIA station chief in Caracas, Venezuela at this time. He talked about what a fun but decadent place it was, but also said that there was nothing going on in Venezuela in those years. He said CIA efforts in Caracas were focused on the Soviets who were trying to make trouble in the region, and on training agents for missions in other countries. He never brought up Cuba. He noted that after the turmoil of Chile, with Allende, Caracas was a nice break, and as far as I could tell, the CIA station chief mostly kicked back and partied with the locals. Doesn’t sound like he was too interested in Luis Posada Carriles.

Phillips wrote his memoirs before Philip Agee, castro’s voluntary CIA defector, came onto the scene. Agee, a malevolent traitor, named all the names of his CIA colleagues in his lousy book published around 1982, which resulted in some of them being shot dead like Richard Welch, the CIA station chief in Athens. Congress law passed after that saying any employee of the CIA who wanted to write a book would be required to submit to the CIA censor before publication.

David Atlee Phillips wrote his book before that law, so he wasn’t holding back anything. It makes me think Phillips’ account is credible when he says nothing was going on in Caracas in 1976.

So in this same year, Luis Posada-Carriles thrived. He was an anti-castro exile, and he might have been involved in blowing up a Cuban airliner. Somebody was. It was a terrible thing. Or maybe he wasn’t. Maybe he was a braggart. Maybe he really did do it. I don’t know. I wonder how anyone could live with himself after doing that, but we all know how comfortably castro lives after a lifetime of commiting murder.

It doesn’t seem like Posada Carriles was particularly significant to the CIA, and may have ended his association in the 1960s. In any case, in those days covert officers were focused on recruiting ‘heads’ so maybe he seemed like a good prospect because he was willing. I doubt he gave any info of much value, but CIA officers had spy recruitment quotas if they wanted to advance in the ranks. So I would not be surprised if he turned up somewhere on their CIA payroll – apparently he did. It doesn’t mean much.

Did he blow up the airliner? I still don’t know. But more context is helpful. I do know 1976 was the Great Era Of Airline Hijackers. In those days, a lot of people were doing it – Arafat, Abu Nidal, Mohammad Abbas, all of the people who who are Chavez’s and castro’s current best friends and all of whom got away with it. Not just got away with it but prospered! The salons of Paris were open to them. Some got lots of oil money for their efforts from Arab Gulf states. Some got Nobel prizes.

Now chavez and Castro are demanding that the U.S. hand over this guy to their ‘justice’ so that the U.S. can preserve credibility in the ongoing war on terror.

As if these bastards ever cared about ending terrorism. Fresh from the Arab-Latin American summit this week, their principle achievement was 1970s-style anti-Semitic declarations. It’s like the Zionism-Is-Racism days that were the hallmark of the Jimmy Carter era. Name one thing any of these leaders have ever done to halt international terrorism! Name just one thing! They did show us they felt terrorism was political, though, by bringing up the old canard about one man’s terroist being another man’s freedom fighter. That crap. At the summit, the Arab-Latin American leaders said Palestinian terrorists have the right to kill as many Jews as they please and couched it in the mendacious language of people’s right to ‘struggle.’ What a pack of lies!

But did Posada-Carriles do it? I still don’t know. Perhaps only a trial could tell. As Tony V, one of our intelligent posters said, Posada Carriles actually was put on trial in Venezuela. And acquitted. I doubt the justice system was glorious in pre-Chavez Veneuela. But one thing I do know is: I am not going to find out anything that resembles truth about the Posada Carriles case in a Chavez or castro courtroom! Their supposed quest to find “justice” is not actually about either justice or ending terrorism.

It’s about embarassing the U.S.

As far as ‘U.S. credibility’ is concerned, credibility with whom? I am uhhhh, underwhelmed about their crocodilian concern. Among the annoying arrogant people who consider themselves ”the Arab Street’ or the western Europeans who consider themselves ‘The World,’ I notice they have never lifted a finger to end terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan or America or Colombia. And somehow, I don’t think they have ever found the U.S. credible. Spain’s Madrid bombers have yet to be brought to justice, and this incompetence has given the ETA the word that terrorism is a free ride. Meanwhile, some Danes and French from a scummy group called ‘Rebellion’ were recently caught forking over cash to Colombia’s FARC guerrillas frorm their radical chic salons. Out on the Arab ‘Street’ millions and millions of people gave money to the terrorist charities, the better to kill us. So spare me all of this ‘concern.’

But between castro and Chavez, it is even worse. castro got his start as a terrorist in Colombia in 1948. It’s the country that’s always been his prize, the place where he began his killings. His victims remain in their graves crying out for justice.

Chavez meanwhile, gave Colombia’s FARC free rein to set up terror-training camps deep inside Venezuela. He also gave one FARC terrorist, Rodrigo Granda, Venezuelan citizenship and a Venezuelan passport to let him fly up to Tijuana to meet the huge Arrellano-Felix narcotrafficante cartel that is now wreaking havoc on our southern border as well as death and destruction in northern Mexico. That’s not all. Chavez also gave Granda a broadband line to plot by email the murder of a Paraguayan ex-president’s daughter. He succeeded and a 31-year old woman is dead.

Now, all of a sudden, those who abused us mightily when we did do something to stomp out terrorism in the Middle East, something they benefited from greatly, even though they are utterly incapable of gratitude, now think the U.S. has this great prized ‘credibility’! To them, of all people! And bonafide terrorists like castro and Chavez are not really terrorists at all but just statesmen following international law like most any other international statesmen must.

And if the U.S. doesn’t hand this particular schmuck over to face castro’s and Chavez’s ‘justice,’ why, terrible things will happen to U.S. credibility! And they will be so upset! And they will whip out their hankies and weep into their berets! Oh the importance of U.S. credibility! What will we do without having credibility with such communists? What? What? Will the visa lines dry up? Will they stop hiding dollars under their beds? Will U.S. passports become birdcage liners? What will happen if castro and Chavez and their admirers in South America and Al-Qaida suddenly think we have no credibility?

I’m just not moved. The U.S. should do what it needs to do on Posada Carriles and act in its own best national interest. That’s their job. That’s what we pay them for. Spare me what castro calls ‘credibility.’

26 thoughts on “The peaks of chutzpah”


  2. Great post.
    I think that cagastro has a bunch of bargaining chips clutched in his hands now. He wants Posada Carriles, well, he has Assata Shakur and many other fugitives and cop killers under his “protective cover”. And he is saying that he would not release them, as recently as last week that was the official statement. So why the US should extradite Posada? What about his state sponsored terror (Brothers to the Rescue blown out off mid air, and many other crimes, drug dealing, terror strikes in Latin America guerrillas) why doesn’t he extradite the American citizen killers to the US?
    I think that Posada should be judged in the States. If found responsible, he should extinguish his penalty under the conditions that are established by American law, which by the way are seriously harsh.
    The pirates of the Caribbean should keep to themselves. Otherwise, the American government could play a “Noriega gambit” on them, which is longtime overdue and very needed.

  3. why is it that year after year, we are asounded by fidel’s hipocrisy. f*** fidel and his propaganda. the u.s. is going to do what it needs to do irregardless of what castro thinks. and by the way, if i remember correctly, posada was aquitted and retried more than once on the bombing.

    tony v

  4. Yesterday I was reading some ancient Kastrist cultist manifesto (gotta get to know your enemy, as some Mafiosi must?ve said at some time) and I was aghast at his Maximum Hijo de Puta?s manipulation of the world media even back in 1959.
    This was an article from July 1959 in which The Beast is already blaming ?forces from the north? for acts of terrorism against his ?revolution?. The fact that he (with all impunity) denounces acts of terrorism against a ?revolution? is in itself a ridiculous statement. That just a few Cubans of the time saw the incongruence of the beginning of castrospeak is a shame. That the ?big forces to the north? just ignored it is a god damn crime.

    Here you have an assassin, a criminal a bully. Nothing but a Cuban version of an Al Capone or a Luciano complaining that the rival ?family? is shooting back.
    And NO ONE called him on the carpet on that. In 1959 The Beast was still in a semi precarious position, he did not OWN all of the Cuban media, nor did he have the balls to tell a foreign correspondent to go fuck themselves, yet this totally absurd statement, this condemnation of anyone doing exactly what he was doing 6 months before just flew by everyone?s head.
    We are not talking about a democratically elected government who is all of sudden besieged by a group of thugs trying to overthrow him. We are talking about a thug facing some of his own kind face to face and suddenly developing the morals of the saintly anointed.
    What hypocrisy!
    Yes it is a shame that that plane came down, but I don?t recall anyone on the Castrist side explaining the bombs at El Castillo de Jagua , Cinecito, El Ten Cen del Vedado etc. And that is only the ones I vividly remember in La Habana.
    How many soldiers died at El Moncada because of an act of unabashed terrorism?
    Did Luis Posada Carriles blow up the plane? Let us say he did. What did he do that The Beast was not already guilty of doing? Kastro had laid down the rules of the game, Posada was just playing by the rules.
    The bible does tell us ?an eye for an eye? and in that world of 1976 where Cuban exiles had no way of striking back I personally feel it was a valid act of war where unfortunately 73 innocent people had to die. But that is WAR and wars are bloody and people DO die.
    Had Fidel Castro adhered to his promises in 1959 of ?free lections? in 6 months, Had Fidel Castro not become the utter despot he had become, those 73 people would not have died. So if there?s anyone that should face a court of law regarding that tragedy is FIDEL CASTRO. Posada?s excuse is rather simple , he was following orders. Those given by Castro the day he stormed El Moncada.

  5. CE: Don’t hold your breath. It’s not an Elian thing. I do think it’s about abusing the Cuban-American community, making them look bad, castro’s very own war against dissidents. But no way would the Cuban-Americans come to this guy’s defense except if they were sure he was innocent. Of that I am not sure. They could have more information than me. But they won’t defend a terrorist. Tony: Thanks for new info, I didn’t know this, I will see if I can find anything on it. Val: GOOD POINT – I will add it to the story. CB: Well said. This whole thing is not just about castro’s eternal effort to hurl mud at Cuban-American community, it’s also about his effort to morally blind everyone to what terrorism is. That South American summit said one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Now, they will claim the US is ‘a terrorist state.’ Moral zeros have this way of trying to justify their own terrorism. We need to be tough about this and them.

  6. castro and chavez are full of shit. castro lost all of his credibility as a human being by removing Urrutia and the Prime Minister position in Cuba and then stop any future elections. chavez lost his when he sided with castro. Talk about throwing stones in glass houses.

  7. My rhethorical question was meant to say: What about cagastro himself? Osama Bin Laden is camel dung compared to cagastro.


    On Val’s Babalu blog, I wrote a long essay on the Posada Carriles case. It is a foreign policy issue, but now that Fidel Castro has made the claim that it’s a U.S. ‘credibility’ issue, there is a people-power dimension to it. Eurotrash, their South Ame…

  9. M y L
    But the irony of the Castro ignominy is that what he thought would be his most historical and defining statement (albeit stolen) comes to hunt him time and time again.
    And NO, you beastly piece of shit, history will not absolve you; history will find you culpable time and time again. And as that all of your heroes, your reign will be studied as one of the darkest moments in modern human history.

  10. History is already NOT alsolving them.
    They are condemned everyday by their own victims and hostages, which extend their condemnation to the collaborators of the regime. Specially, to all of those who live abroad and act as mouthpieces of cagastro’s propaganda of filth.
    All of us, and all of those who continue to suffer under the tyranny in Cuba condemn that monstruosity of a system every single day. And believe me, the ureaic acid contaided in the wall pictured and the filth in the toilets portraited are very light and aromatic compaired to what will fall on cagastro’s grave.
    Our condenmation encompass everything from a primal rebellious yell to an ellaborate intelectual expos? of his crimes. From the “me cago en tu madre fidel” to the most complex essay. And that’s been happening for the longest time. cagastro: fear the words of the Book, “thy who killed by the iron, shall die by the iron”!
    He is being killed daily by the iron-strong will of all his opponents. By the sharp edge of our mental swords and hail of bullets.

  11. I really need to know more about that airliner before I can make a decision about how I feel about Posada. Under no circumstances would I support his extradition to Venzuela or Cuba. I heard somewhere that the airliner wwas filled with Cuban military people. Other places I heard that it was filled with civilians or a sports team or something. I think it makes a big difference. If the plane was filled with Cuban military types I wouldn’t see it as an act of terrorism but a counter revolutionary act in a war against Castro. Posada was acquitted twice is my understanding in Venezuela where they apparently don’t have the double jeopardy protection we have here. He escaped while the government was appealing trying to get a 3rd trial.

  12. So apparently, they just keep trying them until they get the result they want? What a miserable system.

  13. Among other people whose identities I am not sure about, the plain carried a Cuban fencing team.
    Apparently, it was a mixed load of passengers. Military types don’t fly in commercial airliners, but undercover agents of the G2 do.

    Some of the athlets were college students. Which makes everything more complicated.

    Why? Because all Cubans who attend college (first men only, now men and women alike) have to take courses of “Military Sciences” which makes them into Army officers, being given the rank of Lieutenant or First Lieutenant upon graduation from college, and thus considered members of the military reserves. It doesn’t mean that by that you share the amoral tennets of cagastrism as your own, it’s mandatory. It’s a way to forcibly involve people in the military nature of the system and to create a division between people and to seed mistrust and fear.

    Then, they get qualified personel to forcibly serve in the army.

    Have you heard of the famous “edad militar” (military age) that left a bunch of kids in Cuba? If you were close to sixteen and male they would practically kidnap you from the airport when you were ready to leave with your family and thrown into the Mandatory Military Serice for three years and make you a member of the reserves until you were 27. That’s eleven years as a hostage soldier. Many of the dead in cagastro’s napoleonic adventures in Africa (and elsewhere)came from that cadre. Also, many of the soldiers who had to bag the executed in the paredon and who had to hose down the blood from that area. That’s the definition of evil.

    I agree with overturning of a dictarship even by armed rebellion. I don’t agree with terror methods, besides the humanist point of view, because cagastro himself started the era of terror that we are trying to end now around the world, most terrorist are inspired by his actions, if we look at the facts.

    Having said this, if there’s something to be done it is to establish culpability and determine punishment as a result of a serious investigation and not a political circus fueled by Venezuelan oil and staged in Cuba. It should be done in the States according to the principles of the American justice system. With prosecution, defense, witnesses and a body of evidence.

    On the other hand, the same treatment ought to be demanded to be applied to the terrorists (an international mixed bag) that cagastro is hiding under his desk.

    And if we want to talk extradition, there’s a large number of them that are “individuals of interest” for the USA and Spain (ETA, but where is Judge Garzon when you really need him?)

    Besides, the cagastro brothers have commited so many crimes against the US (goverment and population alike) that they qualify for extradition to the US. They have a lot for which to respond here.

  14. I just don’t see Janet Reno and the SS kiching in the door to hand Posada to cagastro, but you may see raul indicted for drug traffic and cagastro indicted for the ambush-conspiracy-murder of the Brothers’s pilots, it may serve cagastro well to just shutt up for a while, but he just can’t do that…

  15. KC,

    We (the US) need to be tough on Posada just like we would be for any other suspected terrorist. I’m sorry, but I don’t see the blowing up of a commercial airliner, regardless of who was on board, as a justified act of revenge for fidel’s similar acts. Stooping down to fidel’s level is the LAST THING any civilized self-respecting society should aspire to do. I don’t care how many people fidel’s killed…it’s just not right!

    As far as Posada’s alleged involvement in the blowing up of the plane, only he knows the truth. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and I see plenty of smoke on the horizon. He’s changed his story several times, depending on who he’s talked to. Sounds suspicious to me.

  16. Mora:

    Well, at least you made yourself clear – you support terror when it is “your” side.

    “But more context is helpful”

    Oh, now there is “context” to terror. Really?

    “Posada Carriles actually was put on trial in Venezuela. And acquitted.”


    Posada was in jail in Venezuela while his APPEAL was pending when he escaped from prison. So he is a fugitive from Venezuelan justice and they have every reason to request his extradition.

    Anyways, thanks for clarifying you’re position on this – its certainly good to know who is against terrorism and who isn’t.

  17. Yes Robert –
    THAT kind of thinking has maintained the Cuban people under the Beast’s yoke for 46 years.
    Let’s keep sending him UN sanctions and 400+ pages of “democratic changes plans”. Let’s keep lighting the US Interest section with subliminal messages while the dissidents rot in jail. Let?s send him some more rice and chickens.

    ?Let US not stoop to his level ?? ?cause that line of thinking has worked so damn well in the last half century. Hasn?t it?

    I am curious, were you for or against the war in Afghanistan ? cause if you were FOR it, then Posada did not do anything the USA did not do. If you were NOT for the war , then I am sorry , you are a trifle too na?ve to be living in the 2005. All the 60s were good for was music, its political ideal were just drug induced pabulum

    Let the USA get TOUGH on Posada? But totally ignore the downing of the brothers to the rescue plane?
    Let me remind you that not ONE USA citizen died at the hands of Germany during WWII and yet we stepped in and rid the world of that barbaric prick, killing QUITE a lot of civilians in the process by the way.

    So let’s agree on this, YOU keep your highly moral and high ground way of dealing with an assassin and I will keep my underhanded and reprehensible way of doing it.

    Talk about bringing a knife to gunfight Robert, if it was up to you we would be bringing a TV guide.

    But hey, that is the beauty of the USA uh? We can debate and neither of us winds up in jail with a hot poker up his ass.

    And in closing let me REMIND you , that Posada was found NOT guilty TWICE of that bombing and even if he IS guilty , what is YOUR plan of dealing with The Beast .. ? MORE UN sanctions?, Forgive and forget and open up the USA treasury coffers and give him unlimited credit.
    I am REALLY interested (and I am not being facetious at all) in the way people with your views plan to get rid of Castro.
    Please elaborate.

  18. The plane was indeed full of non military people, there’s no need to whitewash the truth.
    Yes MOST of them sympathizers of the regimen (otherwise they would NOT have been able to travel outside Cuba), so if that makes them guilty by convictions then ?. I really can not judge that.
    Matter of fact one of the fencing team members was an acquaintance of mine. He was also a devout Communist and somewhat of a well known prick within the neighborhood.
    (For those who want FACTS he lived on calle 76 between ave 21 & ave 23 in Marianao ) But I STILL posses the force of conviction to know that WE Cubans are under a moral obligation to wage war against the man who stole everything we had, from a piece of land to our last ounce of dignity. And THAT war was must be waged however and whenever we have an opportunity.

  19. Dan,
    So I can safely assume that you know who is a terrorist, no? cagastro is. Nice to see that our message goes that far as to reach you. If Posada is a fugitive and a terrorist, so is cagastro. That put the two of them at the same level, theoretically, since cagastro has been a more successful terror kingpin by all means.
    Let me remind you that the assassination of American citizens by his regime would make him -if the law weren’t applied selectively- a target for extradition, or in his case, where the Cuban Judicial System has been his own personal hostage for so long, capture by all means. We did that with Noriega and with Saddam. Not with cagastro. Why? Cuba doesn’t have oil or a transoceanic channel. And many countries of Central America or the Caribbean would suffer if Cuba becomes again the driving force it was in economy and tourism.
    As I said before, I am glad that you can see who is in favor of terrorism. The dictator of Cuba even called for bombings in NYC when Osama was still wearing diapers. And begged his Russians masters to drop a couple of A bombs on this country of yours, which is mine by adoption and pride. He is the same assassin and terrorist he was in 1959. And that’s a fact.
    Talking about terrorists, I am sure that cagastro’s face is picturing in your mind right now.

  20. “He escaped while awaiting the GOVERNMENT’S APPEAL of his ACQUITTAL. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.”

    Cool concept. Obviously this man was in jail because a judge thought he should be there until the case was fully resolved but you think he can pack up and leave anytime he feels like it. Like I said cool concept but one I don’t buy into.

    As to the people going on about Castro – well then do something about Castro. This extradition case is by Venezuela not Cuba so Castro has no relevance to the discussion. Other than to way if you want to fight him, fight him and don’t blow up other people on airplanes.

    Its laughable how people here are justifying this saying oh, maybe they were military, or maybe they were pro-communist, pro-castro. Excuse me, but you are sounding like the people who justify the bombings against Israel because all Israelis go into the military so none of them are civilians or the college professor who thought the people in the Trade Center were “little Eichmans”. You’re keeping good company – NOT.


  22. Thanks Carmen!
    The America haters are a bunch of traitors… give them a month living like a Cuban in Cuba and you will see how they paddle in a raft back to the US… If they had the courage. They probably would become a chivato, though.

  23. Hey god damn it “*I ROCK! 😉
    Carmen, it is just not so difficult, the apologist, cultist , “let’s talk about it over a bottle of chardonnay and some chicharrones” either have convictions that are totally inadequate to deal with a MONSTER or they are just stupid and have not really decided on which side of the equation they stand.
    In either instance their cases are so full of naivet? and erroneous perceptions it is just laughable.. if it wasn?t because 12 million people are suffering while they propose yet MORE talks! ?let?s make conversation not war?. Well to THAT I say.. (Val doesnt like insults but we all know what should go in here)

    What FUCKING amazes me is that THAT exactly was the original British policy towards Hitler. Chamberlain was POSSITIVE that diplomatic conversations were the way to deal with the Fuher. ?He (Hitler) is open to diplomatic resolution of the impasse?? Chamberlain you stupid FUCK! . There you go you spineless prick, a god damn V2 up your wrinkly ass and MILLIONS of innocent Brits DEAD, cause your ignorant and cowardly “pacifism”

    Has history (and we are not talking about ANCIENT history) taught these people ANYTHING?

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