Dear idiot…

I just read this stupidity by an idiot name Steve Clemons and it caused me to write the following to him:

I’m trying to think of something that Cuba has done in the last 12 years to justify a change in US policy toward that country.

Perhaps it was the 1996 shoot down of two unarmed american civilian aircraft over international waters, the cold-blooded murder of 3 American citizens and one American resident.

Or perhaps it was the penetration of the related WASP spy ring, 5 members of which are currently serving hard time for espionage.

Or perhaps it was the placing of a spy, Ana Belen Montes, in the Pentagon whose overriding message was similar to yours, namely that Cuba is no threat. Incidentally Ms. Montes accepted a 25 year sentence in order to avoid more.

Or maybe it was the inprisonment in the spring of 2003 of 75 dissidents, independent journalists and independent librarians.

Or perhaps it was the firing squad executions on April 11th 2003 of 3 men who attempted to hijack a ferry boat to freedom 6 DAYS earlier.

Maybe it’s just general good behavior you’d like to reward like the refusal of Cuba to permit the entry of Human Rights organizations to monitor the Human Rights situation in that country.

Or perhaps it’s the crackdown on “illegal” satellite dishes and other equipment used to break Fidel’s information embargo on the Cuban people.

Maybe it’s the continual barage of anti-American rhetoric that the Castro brothers should be rewarded for.

You are right, any one of these would be reason enough engage in warmer relations with Havana but taken together I don’t see how anyone could view Cuba as anything but a good friend.

Jackass!

All of that and I forgot things like continuing to harbor terrorists and fugitives from American justice.

52 thoughts on “Dear idiot…”

  1. I read the guy’s piece. Henry, you are too generous! This guy isn’t smart enough to qualify for “idiot.”

    He actually compares Cuba’s exportation of slave doctors with Peace Corp program volunteers. If he is serious and sincere, then he is very very stupid and beyond help. If he knows the truth, and still writes this crap, then he is not worth your time.

    Very distasteful article.

  2. Folks — I responded to Henry’s note in a dignified and civil manner and told him that his quick collapse into an ad hominem attack on me stinks of the intimidation tactics of people who don’t want to engage in serious debate and discussion.

    The tone of these comments — “Putz”, etc. — does nothing to advance your views, which i do accept are serious ones.

    But seriously, you are more engaged in name-calling than credible policy discussion.

    best regards,

    Steve Clemons

  3. It obviously bothered you enough to come over here and defend yourself. So let me ask you now that you come out from under your rock, are we supposed to forget all of the actions of the castro regime during the timeframe which you reference in your post, the last 12 years? What does the US possibly have to gain by dealing with such a regime with kid gloves? The problem here is a failure on your part and the part of you dialoguero colleagues to understand the true nature of the dictatorship that has lorded over Cuba the last 5 decades. You don’t mention how the Cuban doctors are paid a pittance to go overseas and take care of other countries sick while Cuban polyclinics are understaffed. You don’t mention how many Cuban “advisors” are in Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicargua, et al no doubt teaching the “leaders” their how to make a “successful” Revolution. If Cuba is in a weakened state and not able to cause military damage to the US or its allies it’s only because of the sanctions. Castro is the kind of psychopathic leader that enjoys biting the hand that feeds him. He recently attacked Canada for “Human Rights Violations.” With friends like that who needs enemies?

    Sir, I would recommend that if you have a defense for not acknowledging the crimes I detailed in my post that you make it quickly and succinctly. You have been afforded the right to comment here, something which was not afforded to me on the site where your ramblings were posted. Use it quickly or go away.

    Is that respectful enough for you.

  4. It obviously bothered you enough to come over here and defend yourself. So let me ask you now that you come out from under your rock, are we supposed to forget all of the actions of the castro regime during the timeframe which you reference in your post, the last 12 years? What does the US possibly have to gain by dealing with such a regime with kid gloves? The problem here is a failure on your part and the part of you dialoguero colleagues to understand the true nature of the dictatorship that has lorded over Cuba the last 5 decades. You don’t mention how the Cuban doctors are paid a pittance to go overseas and take care of other countries sick while Cuban polyclinics are understaffed. You don’t mention how many Cuban “advisors” are in Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicargua, et al no doubt teaching the “leaders” their how to make a “successful” Revolution. If Cuba is in a weakened state and not able to cause military damage to the US or its allies it’s only because of the sanctions. Castro is the kind of psychopathic leader that enjoys biting the hand that feeds him. He recently attacked Canada for “Human Rights Violations.” With friends like that who needs enemies?

    Sir, I would recommend that if you have a defense for not acknowledging the crimes I detailed in my post that you make it quickly and succinctly. You have been afforded the right to comment here, something which was not afforded to me on the site where your ramblings were posted. Use it quickly or go away.

    Is that respectful enough for you.

  5. And by the way, if you think the word “jackass” is an intimidation tactic then you either have never really been intimidated or you are just a liar. Perhaps you can’t cope with facts and the use of not so subtle sarcasm. Either way that’s your problem not mine. The people here can all judge for themselves whether I’m trying to intimidate you or if I’m simply calling a spade a spade.

  6. And by the way, if you think the word “jackass” is an intimidation tactic then you either have never really been intimidated or you are just a liar. Perhaps you can’t cope with facts and the use of not so subtle sarcasm. Either way that’s your problem not mine. The people here can all judge for themselves whether I’m trying to intimidate you or if I’m simply calling a spade a spade.

  7. Tried to leave my two centavos worth at the fool’s site and it would not let me. Did you catch the one about the fool who visited Cuba and saw a freer Cuba? He said he had a coversation with a journalist who told him so. Must not have been an independent journalist as they are in prison. The commie praised chavez’ venezuela as a model. What a fool!

  8. Not that I particularly like either one, but I’d rather be disrespectfully, distastefully, intimidatingly RIGHT than courteously delusional.

    Any day of the week.

  9. Now that’s funny… Cuban journalist praising the country that praises Cuba’s failed model as a model, even though it’s failing.

    Proof positive the world is insane.

  10. Did anyone one catch this stupid comment left on this guy’s board:
    “In the end, coming back here I arrived feeling much more concerned about freedoms in the USA than the freedoms in Cuba.”

    He is more concerned about freedoms here than in Cuba. This person enjoys and exercises all the rights in the world granted to him/her under the US constitution. Rights that the average Cuban has not right to exercise, but you still get comments like these above. My lord, help us.

  11. David,
    The guy who left the comments sounds much like a guy I used to see on the miami herald board when I used to go there. John somebody?

  12. “If Cuba is in a weakened state and not able to cause military damage to the US or its allies it’s only because of the sanctions.”

    Yeah sure watch out for Cuba the threat from the South! If sanctions are lifted Cuba might invade! hahaha!

    The Cuban government can barely keep its own country from collapsing because of it’s crazy policies. I don’t think that it will ever be any military threat to the United States with in my lifetime. Blockade or no blockade.

    Which brings me to my next point:

    “I’m trying to think of something that Cuba has done in the last 12 years to justify a change in US policy toward that country.”

    It doesn’t matter if Cuba as done anything to “justify” a policy change, which is a subjective judgement anyway. The U.S. Federal government has no authority to curtail peoples freedom of movement or property rights and especially not on grounds of morality.

    And keeping the embargo on moral grounds is the basic argument for cheerleaders of the embargo. No one with-out an agenda actually believes that modern day Cuba is a military threat. And certainly not any more of a threat and no more brutal then: China, Syria, or North Korea, etc. All of which we do business with regularly and which U.S. citizens’ are free to travel to. Hell the Soviet Union was our swarn enemy and we did business with them all of the time.

  13. So you don’t think that Cuba subverted Nicaragua and El Salvador? You deny that Cuban intelligence could sell information to terrorists or other enemies?

    You are such a freaking idiot that it’s hardly worth pointing out the obvious.

    Maybe you should read Kruschev’s diaries about the missile crisis.

    Asshole.

  14. So you don’t think that Cuba subverted Nicaragua and El Salvador? You deny that Cuban intelligence could sell information to terrorists or other enemies?

    You are such a freaking idiot that it’s hardly worth pointing out the obvious.

    Maybe you should read Kruschev’s diaries about the missile crisis.

    Asshole.

  15. Oh and go tell the family of Staff Sgt. Gregory Fronius that Cuba isn’t dangerous. Or the families of the BTTR pilots. Nobody said that that Cuba was going to invade the United States with a conventional force. That would be about as ridiculous as the US invading Cuba (an event for which castro has been preparing the Cuban people for 45 years, sort of like waiting for Godot).

    Communist Cuba is a strategic threat and those who ignore that plain fact do so at their peril. But we already know what your motives are asshole and so you don’t care if you like a blithering idiot.

  16. Oh and go tell the family of Staff Sgt. Gregory Fronius that Cuba isn’t dangerous. Or the families of the BTTR pilots. Nobody said that that Cuba was going to invade the United States with a conventional force. That would be about as ridiculous as the US invading Cuba (an event for which castro has been preparing the Cuban people for 45 years, sort of like waiting for Godot).

    Communist Cuba is a strategic threat and those who ignore that plain fact do so at their peril. But we already know what your motives are asshole and so you don’t care if you like a blithering idiot.

  17. Mr. Clemons, you seem intelligent enough, so perhaps you can explain to me the reason that our policy toward Cuba is having such a devastating effect? Since the United States is the only county to impose such an embargo that leaves the rest of the world free to do business with the bearded one. China, Russia, Canada, Mexico, England, France, Spain are well within their rights to trade with Cuba. So why don’t they? It is like telling me that I cannot shop at Kroger, but I’m free to visit any of the other 27 grocery stores in my town. A minor inconvenience, but nothing life threatening, nonetheless. In fact, other countries can purchase goods from America, and resell them to Cuba, so it isn’t that we have a lock on the latest and greatest. I think you should re-think your position, as the onus is on Castro to work out national policy to improve the plight of his people, and not the United States. But wait, he’s a dictator. Never mind.

    Pointyhead
    Senior Fellow, Pointyhead’s School of Critical Thinking

  18. Fascinating board — Henry Gomez obviously is a passionate, well informed guy. It’s really too bad he can’t engage in a civil discussion without defamatory, personal attacks. He purports to ask me a serious question — now that I have crawled out from under my rock — well, that’s not a good way to start Henry.

    Have fun hyperventilating with those who enjoy bombast more than serious discussion,

    Steve Clemons

  19. What Steven Clemons doesn’t realize is that we have heard it all before. If he wanted to, he could peruse the substantial archive of this blog (it’s not a board, learn the difference smarty pants) and see that we have in fact heard every single argument in favor of that regime. And that’s all these diologueros are, thinly veiled fidelistas and anti-Americans. Well here’s a suggestion Mr. Clemons, go live in Cuba for a couple of years, apply for Cuban citizenship and renounce your American citizenship. And when you get on a raft to come back because you can’t take it anymore make sure you reach dry land unless you want to get sent back.

  20. What Steven Clemons doesn’t realize is that we have heard it all before. If he wanted to, he could peruse the substantial archive of this blog (it’s not a board, learn the difference smarty pants) and see that we have in fact heard every single argument in favor of that regime. And that’s all these diologueros are, thinly veiled fidelistas and anti-Americans. Well here’s a suggestion Mr. Clemons, go live in Cuba for a couple of years, apply for Cuban citizenship and renounce your American citizenship. And when you get on a raft to come back because you can’t take it anymore make sure you reach dry land unless you want to get sent back.

  21. And one more thing, if being called a name is a good enough reason to avoid the debate then the US should really never consider a dialogue with the Castros because they have called our country every name in the book.

  22. And one more thing, if being called a name is a good enough reason to avoid the debate then the US should really never consider a dialogue with the Castros because they have called our country every name in the book.

  23. Mr.Clemons,
    You need to put yourself in our spots. You post not only have truths, but blatant untruths, such as Cuba exporting doctors, when in fact, most of those doctors are sent there against their will, only as a tool to help line the pockets of the dictatorship.
    Your statements are akin to a Pro-Hitler blog offending Jews when you state that Hitler’s extermination of them was justified. I really don’t understand how you could see it any other way when we have actually LIVED through the repression first hand.
    This is about as civil as we can get at this point. Now, when you admit that many of those doctors are sent there against their will, and many other FACTs, we might start to respect you.
    Until then, you will get your just rewards from us, OUTRAGE.

  24. What greater threat can there be than BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS? castro hasn’t accomplished all he has these past 50 years by being stupid. castro has never wanted to INVADE the United States… He only wants to INFLICT harm.

    Remember November 17, 1962 in New York city? When Cuban agents “targeted Macy’s, Gimbel’s, Bloomindales and Manhattan’s Grand Central Station with a dozen incendiary devices and 500 kilos of TNT?” This terrorist attack was set to go off on the biggest shopping day of the year… The day after Thanksgiving. We can thank the FBI for uncovering the plot before it could take place. http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/18870.html

    From a previous post:

    “An October 10, 2001, report on MSNBC.com said, “With help from the Soviet Union’s massive secret biological weapons program, Castro was able to build one of the world’s most sophisticated biotechnology industries which can also be used to build weapons of mass destruction.” Former Soviet scientist Ken Alibeck (see below) says he helped to train Cubans in this technology, which he now regrets. “This work would be used for developing biological weapons or biological agents. As a result of this, we helped Castro develop biological weapons. It was such a stupid decision.”

    Also reported: Gen. Charles Wilhelm, a former Southcom Commander said: “The indications we have is that they have the capability to produce those types of substances.” The Canadian Security Intelligence Service, which investigates terrorist threats, said in a 1996 report, “Cuba has been a supply source [to terrorist groups] for toxin and chemical weapons.” http://www.autentico.org/oa09565.php

    Castro: A Threat to the Security of the United States
    “Many Cuban engineers and scientists have been trained in former East Germany, Russia, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, and China. China’s firm, Beijing Neuke Instrument Co. has collaborated very close with Cuba. Castro has spent, since 1991, over $ 3,500 millions in instruments, equipment, materials, with very little commercial application, only vaccines against hepatitis, meningitis, and the development of interferon. It was announced early in 1999 that the government has spent the equivalent of 1,000 millions of pesos, roughly $50 millions during 1998 in upgrading the facilities.

    Two prominent Cuban engineers, Mario Limonta and Luis Herrera, are at the technical direction of operations. Also, the scientist Concepcion de la Campa Huergo has been very active in these efforts. The group works by sections, departments, where one group does not know the work of the other groups. They have developed, from marine technology, with the assistance of Japan, which never knew what the final product was a paralyzing toxin, which is now ready to use.” http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/cuba/oagmc020.htm

    Cuba in the Middle East: 2000-2002 “May 10: Speaking at the Islamic University of Tehran, Fidel Castro stated: “Iran and Cuba, in cooperation with each other, can bring America to its knees. The U.S. regime is very weak, and we are witnessing this weakness from close up.” During his stay in Iran, Castro inspected the construction of a joint Cuban-Iranian “biotechnology complex, the largest and most modern of its type in the Middle East,” according to Granma, the official Cuban newspaper.”
    http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/FOCUS_Web/Issue30.htm

    Castro’s Cuba: Asymmetric Threat to the U. S.?
    “As soon as Castro began losing the military support of the Soviet Union and the Russians could no longer re-supply him with conventional armaments, he began preparing for his coming war with the U.S. by focusing on the development of biological weapons the poor man’s nuclear weapons which might be effective even without using his army. The fact perhaps explains why Castro didn’t object to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s suggestion to stop working on the Juraguá plant.

    Several observers believe Castro was sending a clear signal to the United States when in January 28, 1998, his speech carried the threat, “This lamb cannot ever be devoured, neither with airplanes, nor with smart bombs, because this lamb has more intelligence than you and in its blood there is and always will be poison for you!”
    http://www.newswithviews.com/news_worthy/news_worthy18.htm

    Ayatollah Fidel and Iran’s Cuban vacation
    “Among Castro’s proudest achievements is his Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology (CIBG), a huge research and development enterprise in which he has invested much of his cash-strapped nation’s resources and intellectual capital. While some of his shipments to Iran are surely to provide medical drugs for Iranians, skeptical observers suspect there’s more than altruism at work.”
    http://www.autentico.org/oa09779.php

  25. Go to this website and scroll pass the group picture. Look for news on the “Yo No Coopero” campaign. Can someone tell me who is missing from the group of Cuban exiles lending a hand to this great cause? You got it – The Estefans !!

    http://www.marporcuba.org/pdf/Artistas_Exiliados_Cubanos.pdf

    I don’t want to hear that they were traveling and were not in Miami for the taping. That is no excuse and I’ll tell you why. This campaign has been going on for over a year now. I am pretty sure that the artists were not asked the day before to participate in this campaign. If the Estefans wanted to participate in this campign, I am pretty sure they would have made room for them. Remember they are The Estefans. As for the video, with the kind of technology there is, they could have easily recorded their part and then left it for editing if they were not going to be present for the taping.

    No excuse!! The ball was dropped AGAIN !! Thanks for the LACK of your support !!

  26. Henry, no cojas lucha. Clemons accusing you of ad hominem attacks is the pot calling the kettle black.

    NOOOOOBODY, but NOOOOOOOBODY has perfected the art of name-calling and ad hominem attacks like the leftist bloggers and their ilk. Any quick pop into the Daily Kos and the Huff (and puff) Post, and you have to duck before you click out. They wish death on people and burn things over there, you know.

    Give me a break, Clemons. This is probably THE first and only truly “serious” and “civil discussion” on topic you’ve ever had. Now, now, take it standing up: you’ve had a large dosage of information hurled at you that you probably didn’t know existed. DEAL with the facts and stop being sooooooo very offended (*sob*).

    To quote your favorite Republican, don’t be a girly man.

  27. “So you don’t think that Cuba subverted Nicaragua and El Salvador?”

    Ahh do you mean don’t I know that Cuba (which for all intents and purposes was a puppet of the Soviet Union) was sending advisor’s while we were illegally meddling in other sovereign countries affairs and lieing to the American public about it?

    “You deny that Cuban intelligence could sell information to terrorists or other enemies?”

    So could: China, Syria, Iran, etc. and we still do business with them. The only difference is that we don’t have evidence that Cuba IS doing that. Unlike China which has most favored nation trading status and unlike Iran who we do business with regularly.

    “Maybe you should read Kruschev’s diaries about the missile crisis.”

    Yea, yea, nearly half a century ago Fidel Castro wanted to destroy the United States but didn’t have the missiles to do it. The Soviets were the ones who controlled the missiles remember? The same nation that was our sworn enemy and that we traded with on a regular basis. That was then this is now. The cold war has long been over.

    I suppose according to your logic we should put an embargo in place against Mexico because many politicians there want to reclaim the South Western part of the United States.

    “Oh and go tell the family of Staff Sgt. Gregory Fronius that Cuba isn’t dangerous. Or the families of the BTTR pilots.”

    If you don’t want to be killed by a egomanical dictator then may I suggest that you don’t repeatedly violate the airspace of his country of residence (which is illegal).

    The death of SSgt Fronius is unfortunate. But no more unfortunate then the thousands and thousands of American soldiers killed by Vietnamese fighters (as opposed to 2 or 3 killed by Cubans) and we hold no grudge against them.

    “Communist Cuba is a strategic threat and those who ignore that plain fact do so at their peril.”

    Yea, sure guy. Even if I accept your argument at face value do you truly expect to convincingly make the case that they are more of a threat then the Soviet Union was or China, Iran, and Syria currently are? I didn’t think so.

    “You are such a freaking idiot that it’s hardly worth pointing out the obvious. Asshole.

    But we already know what your motives are asshole and so you don’t care if you like a blithering idiot.”

    That’s right Henry whey you can’t make a persuasive argument and you disagree with someones position then you should just insult them. It makes you look like an idiot but hey at least it makes you feel better right?

  28. It is funny how castro apologists (and liberals in general) immediately cry foul when forced to debate a topic based on facts. Of course Mr. Clemons would prefer to make the discussion about Henry’s choice of words (which were pretty tame) when reacting to his fantastical drivel–what else is he going to argue; facts? We all know–and so does Mr. Clemons all too well–that the facts are not on his side and therefore an argument based on such would result in a thorough trouncing. So, like the typical liberal/castro apologist that he is, he immediately whines about the “tone” of the discussion and picks up his toys and runs back home to mommy.

    I have a bit of advice for you, Mr. Clemons. Do not write and put forth forth controversial opinions that are sure to incite the ire of a certain group if you are not prepared to defend your facts with facts. You want a “civil discussion?” Go to your local university, look up the student socialist organization, and discuss away. Putting forth the disgusting, farcical, hurtful, and misleading comments you did opens you up to not only well-deserved criticism, but a well-deserved verbal beat-down.

    Are we, the Cuban exile community, civil when it comes to this matter? Probably not. But neither would the Anti-Defamation League be civil going after a Hitler apologist, nor the NAACP going after a KKK apologist. Don’t poke your finger in the wasp’s nest and complain when you get stung.

    I suggest that the next time you want to write about a controversial subject such as this, you research it a little better than you obviously did. Maybe, if you would have spoken to and heard stories from people who actually lived it, you may have come to a different conclusion.

    Something tells me however, that no matter how many Cuban exiles you would have spoken to that suffered at the hands of the castro dictatorship, that lost family members to the firing squads of the famous “revolution,” you probably would have still come to the same conclusion. There, my friend, is the line of delineation between your kind, and the rest of us. You live in a fantasy world where the ugly truths are conveniently swept under the rug and those ugly ones that are too large to hide, are repackaged as pretty little notions that make your type giddy all over.

    Enslaved doctors being rented like machinery throughout the world is good? I guess I can use the same logic and see the African slave trade of the past not as a crime against a race, but as the immense kindness of the slave traders of the Ivory Coast offering the industrialized world cheap labor to better feed, house, and care for their families.

    Yeah, that makes sense.

  29. Mike,

    You really think your “arguments” are convincing? because if you do, then I really dont know what to say other than “Wow. What a dumbass.”

    Are you trying to buy some beachside paradise property near Varadero or something?

    Look, take a little internet trip over to the Cuba Archives, read the stories and the list of the tens of thousands killed as a result of castros rule and then come back over here and try to preach morality. And then try to convince me, without smoke and mirrors, point the finger somehwere else arguments, that dealing with fidel castro government is in the best interests of anyone else except the fidel castro grovernment.

    I cant believe that in this day and age, with all the readily avaible verified and true information outthere about the castro regime, there are still people out there that would even contemplate the thought of dealing with that regime.

  30. FREEDOM4CUBA,

    While it’s true the Gloria and Emilio Estefan did not offer their support for the “Yo No Coopero” campaign, many other Cuban-American artists are ALSO very inconspicuous. Only SIX offered their support…Out of how many?

  31. Mike,

    First of all Cuba was a lot more than just a puppet of the Soviet Union in fact the USSR outsourced almost all of its spying to Cuba and with good reason, no other country has penetrated the US as well as Cuba. None of the countries you mentioned.

    Even if those two planes did cross international airpspace (which the didn”t according to international investigations) there is no protocol in which it is legal to shoot down two unarmed civilian aricraft. For you to excuse it gets you an automatic ban from this blog in my opinion.

    And Sgt. Fronius died because of Ana Belen Montes. If she doesn’t exist then he doesn’t die. Period end of story.

    And that castro that wanted to annihilate the US, guess what? He’s STILL IN POWER jackass. If you think he’s mellowed then maybe we should parole Charles Manson into your neighborhood.

    que clase de come mierda.

    Why would we ever want to engage in a policy that economically strenghtens an avowed enemy of this country? Oh now I know, because your one too.

    Asshole.

  32. Mike,

    First of all Cuba was a lot more than just a puppet of the Soviet Union in fact the USSR outsourced almost all of its spying to Cuba and with good reason, no other country has penetrated the US as well as Cuba. None of the countries you mentioned.

    Even if those two planes did cross international airpspace (which the didn”t according to international investigations) there is no protocol in which it is legal to shoot down two unarmed civilian aricraft. For you to excuse it gets you an automatic ban from this blog in my opinion.

    And Sgt. Fronius died because of Ana Belen Montes. If she doesn’t exist then he doesn’t die. Period end of story.

    And that castro that wanted to annihilate the US, guess what? He’s STILL IN POWER jackass. If you think he’s mellowed then maybe we should parole Charles Manson into your neighborhood.

    que clase de come mierda.

    Why would we ever want to engage in a policy that economically strenghtens an avowed enemy of this country? Oh now I know, because your one too.

    Asshole.

  33. Val, Henry et all,
    In this particular instance I think the famous phrase by Aleksandr Solzhenistsyn applies: ” To those who still defend Communism and all its horrors, I have absolutely nothing to say” This ignorant apologist for Kastro and the gang of 8 should know better, but he still wants to find common ground and excuses for the tiranny. We should ignore these poor excuses for human beings, and ignore them like they deserve. And of course put them on a list of those banned from ever visiting Cuba again once the goal of a free Cuba is achieved. This is not ignorance on their part, it is plain and simple complicity with the system. No need to explain anything to them, cause their “minds” ( I’m using the term sarcastically) are so full of leftist crap and platitudes, they could not see the forest from the trees. So why bother?

  34. Mike calls kasstro “a egomanical dictator” in one breath, and then argues for him in the next. He also stacks up Cuba against China, Syria et al., to prove the “threat to the US” false. It’s a nice trick, confusing the issue by making Cuba appear insignificant next to the likes of China.

    Anyone recall what small event in an insignificant place triggered WWI?

    Look, if you want to advocate doing business with dictatorships, just say so; but don’t deny the hard facts dressing them in excuses. BTW, the Brothers to the Rescue pilots were not violating airspace; quick search could have given you that one. And others.

    kASStro continued his subversive activities loooong after the USSR collapsed; he’s all over the map in central and south America.

    Yet … education can cure ignorance but can’t make a dent in a mind that’s all made up and won’t be persuaded with facts.

  35. I just read “True Believer,” the book about the Ana Belen Montes case. Author Scott Carmichael is the DIA counterintelligence investigator who pursued this case for more than five years. The book is his own story on dealing with the frustrating and slow-moving bureaucratic procedures of Federal agencies needed to develop a criminal case. The “FBI’s elephantine bureaucracy” had to be coaxed to obtain funds, manpower, and the capability of making an arrest.
    When arrested, Montes was a forty-four-year-old who had never been married, although “She had a number of boyfriends throughout her life.” (page 58) Definitely a frustrated woman who couldn’t keep a relationship. Montes is a Puerto Rican who “was raised in a family tha advocated achieving the political independence of Puerto Rico.” (page 147). This has been a major tenent of Fidel Castro’s foreign policy and Montes idealized Castro.
    While attending graduate courses at the School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) of Johns Hopkins University during 1982-84, Montes was recruited by the Cuban Directorate General of Intelligence (DGI). The author omits mentioning that in 1978, SAIS launched their Cuba Exchange Program which served as a breeding ground for espionage recruitment. Castro apologists at the university include professors Piero Gleijeses, Wayne S. Smith, and Eduardo Gonzalez, director and co-director, respectively, of the Cuba Exchange Program. SAIS alumni include renown pro-Cuba activist Julia Sweig.

  36. we have in fact heard every single argument in favor of that regime. And that’s all these diologueros are, thinly veiled fidelistas and anti-Americans.

    bullshit….I personally think that travel restrictions to the island, and the restrictions on trade are counter-productive. That there is an area of compromise that could allow exports of us goods and investments, without conceding any right to future claims on the regimes confiscations. And I am hardly a Fidelista. Just because some hard leftists want the embargo ended because they love Fidel, doesn’t mean that everyone automatically has the same ideological motivations.

  37. Boli-Nica,

    By trading with the regime, you are basically staing that you have no problems with the current human rights abuses in Cuba. Youre accepting them as a given or as some kind of collateral damage for fiduciary compensation. In order word, not just turning your back on the situation, but via actions condoning it. That simply will not do.

    Im all for lifting trade and travel restrictions, but the ball is in the Cuban government’s court, if and when they decide to heed the world’s advice and concerns about civil and human rights abuses and actually DO something about it, then that’s when we should give thoughtto lifting restrictions. Let them bring something substantial to the table and not just stale rhetoric.

  38. Boli-Nica- “compromise that could allow exports of U.S. goods and investments” to whose benefit? There is no private enterprise in Cuba and nor will there be as long as castro, inc. is in control. Don’t forget that every other country in the world exports “goods”, including American goods to Cuba and it has done nothing to ease the life of Cubans. If you think otherwise, you’re kidding yourself.

  39. Gomez:

    “First of all Cuba was a lot more than just a puppet of the Soviet Union in fact the USSR outsourced almost all of its spying to Cuba and with good reason, no other country has penetrated the US as well as Cuba. None of the countries you mentioned.”

    And that couldn’t possibly be because we gave any Cuban who came here automatic citizenship via the Cuban Adjustment act could it?

    Actually I agree with you Cuban spying is a problem and we should treat Cuban migrants trying to cross the border just like any other Hispanic migrant. You shouldn’t have a problem with that unless you care about the interests of Cubans’ more then the interests of the United States. If that is the case you can stop trumpeting your loyalty to America because you would be an American in name only.

    “Why would we ever want to engage in a policy that economically strengthens an avowed enemy of this country? Oh now I know, because your one too.”

    I’ve done more for this country then you and your horde of keyboard commandos combined. Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and join the Army or the National Guard. That way you can protect the blanket of freedom that you and your group of lackies are trying so desperately to take away from everyone else to further your own agenda.

    And while we’re on the subject of strengthening an enemy of this country I assume that you: haven’t bought anything made in China, you walk everywhere instead of buying gas, and you don’t use plastic or any other petroleum products.

    Gigi-

    “Mike calls kasstro ‘a egomanical dictator’ in one breath, and then argues for him in the next.”

    There’s a difference in between arguing for property rights’ & freedom of movement and arguing for Castro. I suggest you learn it sweety. And just in case you’ve forgot democratic capitalist societies aren’t suppose to infringe upon their citizens property rights or freedom of travel; communist countries are. I’m sure that you’d feel right at home in Cuba or North Korea. They seem to share your ideals more then we do.

    Val –

    “Look, take a little internet trip over to the Cuba Archives, read the stories and the list of the tens of thousands killed as a result of castros rule…”

    Once again the morality argument rears it’s head. But as I’ve already pointed that argument doesn’t hold water.

  40. Mike,
    You are a pompous ass. You obviously havent educated yourself, or refuse to see the facts. You are grasping for straws and the only thing you are reinforcing is that YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE..

    Ana Belen Montes is Puerto Rican, NOT Cuban, so there is only one example of how the Cuban adjustment act helped Fidel to spy on the US.

    Cubans ARE different from other “migrants” Cuba is a communist tyranny, remember? If you don’t know what it is, then I suggest you live there to truly understand.

    Many of us ARE in the armed forces, and some have died for the U.S. How in the hell do we “take away your freedoms”? Did we put you in a gulag? Oh yes, you are stating that your idea of “freedom” is financially supporting a terrorist state by traveling to it – AND DON’T GIVE ME THE LAME ARGUMENT ABOUT CHINA, ET AL. If it were up to most of us, we wouldnt trade with them either.

  41. Pompous ass is too kind a term. That, and more. Intellectually dishonest and condescending brute.

    “There’s a difference in between arguing for property rights’ & freedom of movement and arguing for Castro” — no, in your case, there isn’t because those rights and the freedom of movement are obliterated under kASStro, so you can’t even begin to engage in definitions with communists.

    No, I’m not “right at home in Cuba or North Korea” … you’re the one to argue for those places” they can sure make a bed for you. And then you talk about ad hominem attacks; what a joke.

  42. Why is everyone still engaging this dolt, encouraging him to spew out more drivel? He, and others like him, will never, ever get it, and all we’re doing is getting worked up because we can’t ram the truth into his thick, liberal head. All the exiles in the world could relate their first-hand accounts to him and that would not be good enough.

    Se acabaron sus quince minutos.

  43. Max-
    “Ana Belen Montes is Puerto Rican, NOT Cuban, so there is only one example of how the Cuban adjustment act helped Fidel to spy on the US. Cubans ARE different from other “migrants” Cuba is a communist tyranny, remember? If you don’t know what it is, then I suggest you live there to truly understand.”

    There are plenty of examples of how the Cuban adjustment act has helped Fidel to spy on the U.S. Just last year a couple of FIU professors got swept up and were revealed as spies. We need to end the Cuban adjustment act now in the name of national security.

    Also why should Cubans fleeing from a communist tyrannical state be treated any differently then any other foreigner fleeing from a tyrannical state?

    “Many of us ARE in the armed forces, and some have died for the U.S.A”

    Which of the writers on this blog did a tour of duty in the U.S. military? I’d like specifics.

    “AND DON’T GIVE ME THE LAME ARGUMENT ABOUT CHINA, ET AL. If it were up to most of us, we wouldnt trade with them either.”

    It is up to you. No one is forcing you to buy anything. So have you bought a product or service that was produced in a repressive authoritarian regime? Yes or no? And if your answer is no then I assume that you walk everywhere.

    Gigi –

    “no, in your case, there isn’t because those rights and the freedom of movement are obliterated under kASStro, so you can’t even begin to engage in definitions with communists.”

    Your logic is absurd. You argue that the Cuban government is repressing citizens’ freedom of movement and their property rights and that is wrong. Then you turn around and say that the U.S. government should do the same thing. So which is it? Is repressing citizens freedom of movement and property rights bad or not? If it is then you can’t argue that the embargo is just. And if it isn’t then you can’t continue to wail about papa Fidel doing the same thing.

    “No, I’m not right at home in Cuba or North Korea.”

    Yes you are you share their repressive ideals.

    Claudia –

    “Why is everyone still engaging this dolt, encouraging him to spew out more drivel? He, and others like him, will never, ever get it, and all we’re doing is getting worked up because we can’t ram the truth into his thick, liberal head. All the exiles in the world could relate their first-hand accounts to him and that would not be good enough.”

    First of all if you don’t have a good logical argument to back up your position and have to resort to calling names then you should re-evaluate your position.

    Second of all calling anyone who disagrees with you a liberal or communist especially when their arguing for values such as property rights only recognized in capitalist societies just makes you look silly.

  44. Mike,
    The only one looking silly here is you. You have not spent ONE day living in a communist tyranny so you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about us or what you are talking about.
    Your theories about the Cuban adjustment act are ridiculous and don’t even deserve a response. Yes, the same Cuban adjustment act that allowed millions of persons to live in freedom from a communist tyranny. Oh, I forgot, to you a communist tyranny is the same thing as the goverment in Mexico..LOL!
    Who the hell anointed you as any kind of expert or authority on this?
    You can continue to live in denial of the facts. We choose not to. Nor do we have to answer to you on any idiotic questions you ask that have already been answered in the archives of this blog. Read it, educate yourself on the facts, then come back, or just climb back under whatever rock you came from..

  45. By trading with the regime, you are basically staing that you have no problems with the current human rights abuses in Cuba. Youre accepting them as a given or as some kind of collateral damage for fiduciary compensation. In order word, not just turning your back on the situation, but via actions condoning it. That simply will not do.

    GMAB, that is spin that makes for a nice soundbite.

    I simply think that certain parts of the embargo need to be loosened. Let people sell whatever they want to the island – short of anything which has a military application. Its not granting them most favored nation status or anything. And it would not compromise the rights of US or Cuban citizens to seek returns or compensation for confiscations by the regime.

    We trade with Venezuela, whose government is arguably is a bigger strategic threat than Castro’s due to oil dependency.

    Travel restrictions are another issue. Look at the role US and Europe based Eastern European citizens had in the crashing of the Eastern bloc. Many returned to their (or their parents) countries of origin before the fall of the Wall, and contributed a lot of knowledge and expertise.
    Back then, smuggling bibles and fax machines made a difference. Now all you need to carry in is a flash drive, with all sorts of stuff.
    Cuban exiles should be going back in droves, to visit, and even to stay for long periods of time. It would drive the regime up the wall. It is the right time to make contacts with ppl within Cuba and the regime who can start lighting fires in the government.

    In the end I think that loosening trade and travel would force the regime to ban both.

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