12 thoughts on “But…But didn’t ALL Cubans DETEST Batista?”

  1. Maybe Batista should have held elections and we wouldn’t be in this mess. Maybe he shouldn’t have overthrown the government because he was running a distant third. Maybe he should have killed Fidel when he had the chance. Not saying some people didn’t like him, just not enough. And then the MoFo just up and leaves – screwing over every single one of those people who backed him. ALL THIS is HIS fault – just as much as Fidel’s. He was a rotten coward. There’s a special place in hell for Batista – and Fidel is going to take the seat next to him.

  2. Cardinal you’re way wrong in your assessment,
    If Batista would have imagined what Fidel was going to do to Cuba and it’s people I’m sure that he would have killed him, no question asked.
    Batista, the people that supported Batista, the Cuban Army and the many Cubans who supported Fidel Castro did not imagined what Fidel was going to do the country. If they did, Fidel would have not reached power, period.
    Cuba’s army would have fought harder and the people would not have supported Fidel if they knew Communism was coming to Cuba.
    I don’t know if you’re aware but many wealthy people contributed money to Castro to buy arms to overthrow Batista.
    Remember that Cuba became the experiment of the Soviet Union in implementing the first Communist dictatorship in the Americas. And Fidel lied to the teeth when he claimed that he wasn’t a Communist and the people believed him.
    On the other hand, we have the Venezuelans who they were so dumb and freaking stupid (sorry, there is no other way that I can describe them) to elect the Monkey Boy Chavez to office after we warned them and after he displayed his close ties and admiration for Castro.
    There is only one place in hell and that one is sorely reserved for Fidel Castro.

  3. You are right about one thing – the Revolution was a class rebellion – the middle and upper classes (not all) against the mulatto Batista. I’m sorry but there is no excusing in no way what Batista did to Cuba. No one wanted him to be pres – he was running behind both the Autentico and Ortodoxo candidates. He – not Castro is the one who ended democracy in Cuba and allowed people to believe that they could be saved by the bearded idiots. No one saw it coming but you know what? Batista gave it to him all wrapped up in with a big ass bow. Was Batista better than Fidel? No question he was but without Batista there have been no Fidel and that is why Batista deserves our scorn. I should clarify that I am talking about 10 de marzo Batista not the democratically elected Batista.

  4. You are right about one thing – the Revolution was a class rebellion – the middle and upper classes (not all) against the mulatto Batista. I’m sorry but there is no excusing in no way what Batista did to Cuba. No one wanted him to be pres – he was running behind both the Autentico and Ortodoxo candidates. He – not Castro is the one who ended democracy in Cuba and allowed people to believe that they could be saved by the bearded idiots. No one saw it coming but you know what? Batista gave it to him all wrapped up in with a big ass bow. Was Batista better than Fidel? No question he was but without Batista there have been no Fidel and that is why Batista deserves our scorn. I should clarify that I am talking about 10 de marzo Batista not the democratically elected Batista.

  5. Cardinal,
    If Batista were the monster that many claimed he was he would have killed the Castro brothers and company and many more that deserved it, but he did not.
    He wanted to be a politician and a dictator and you cannot be both.
    Fidel Castro is a complete dictator killing anyone who has been a challenge to him. That’s why he has been in power for 50 years.
    As bad and corrupted as Batista was, he developed the island in ways that Castro never could as all Fidel Castro has managed to do is destroy the island, the people and a way of life.
    The ironic part is that if you read Cuban history you find that the two Cuban Presidents labeled as dictators before Fidel Castro (Gerardo Machado and Fulgencio Batista) were the ones who contributed the most to the island’s development and who built the greatest Cuban architecture achievements since independence from Spain.
    I heard this story (don’t know how accurate it is) that the reason Batista staged the 1952 coup was that he was approached by Cuban military officers while living in Daytona Beach with the claim that the Communist (through the Orthodox Party) were about to win the 1952 Presidential elections.
    The rest is history anyway, as the Cuban people never imagined what was coming to them through Fidel Castro.
    Don’t know if anybody else could corroborate this story in Babalu, maybe Humberto can.

  6. considering that the PSP was originally in Batista’s ruling coalition in 1940 I don’t know how much water that story holds. Batista did not come in to save the Republic – recognize it. He was not a monster, just corrupt. Don’t make excuses for him. As for Machado he was a murderer AND corrupt so I don’t know how you can hat tip him. Machado paved the way for the 1933 Revolution which in many ways served as a blueprint for Castro’s group. The idea that the Revolution of 33 did not get a chance to develop, that it was lead by young leaders and that coup d’etat ended a dictatorship giving way (eventually) to the much vaunted 1940 constitution and to democracy made it easy for people to draw parallels. After the attack on the palace failed and destroyed el Directorio then Fidel and his band inherited the mantle of the Revolutionaries of ’33.
    You don’t do much for the cause of Freedom and Democracy in defending someone who usurped power, tore the constitution to threads and ruled as a dictator. As I said before he was not a monster, not even close to terrible but he still lent a hand in destroying Cuba and single-handedly wrecked the Republic.

  7. Cardinal,
    I don’t make excuses for anyone, I’m telling like it is.
    My fathers as a child meet Gerardo Machado as he lived in a farm across Martin-Mesa, the country retreat Machado had between the towns of Mariel and Guanajay.
    My father tells me that every Friday Machado used to send the rural guard to take the poor farmers kids from the area so they could come and watch silent movies at his retreat. That’s how my father saw his first movie. Plus my father and his friends were allowed by the guards to play in the pool at the retreat when Machado and his family weren’t at the property.
    When Machado was overthrown, some of the buildings and furniture at the retreat were burned by those who claim were liberating Cuba from Machado (the ABC organization, go figure).
    My grandfather witnessed that event as he was invited to participate in the destruction but he refused, as he did not want any part of it.
    The reality that Fidel Castro has killed many more Cubans that Gerardo Machado and Fulgencio Batista put together and somehow you seen to put either Batista and Machado on equal terms with Fidel. Plus Fidel Castro managed to destroy most of the island.
    Sometimes talking to the elders that lived history (as I had the priviledge to know a few, including one who worked at the Presidential Palace from 1934 to 1959 and was next to Batista in the second story bedroom the day the Palace was attacked) you’ll find more accurate information that you’ll ever find in a Cuban history book. Because these individuals witnessed history.
    Actually there were other Cuban Presidents like Ramon Grau San Martin and Carlos Prio Socarras (the President overthrown by Batista) that were democratically elected and yet they had a reputation for corruption.
    So putting Machado and Batista as the only corrupted Presidents in Cuba does not do accurate justice to the reality of the Cuban Republic before Castro.

  8. One last important point I want to make.
    Cuba always had a reputation for political instability after achieving independence from Spain.
    The Cuban Republic constantly went through rough times in this regard. The painful reality is that all Cubans were responsible for this instability, as we did not know how to govern ourselves as a sovereign nation for the most part.
    We were and still are a beautiful island but we just don’t know how to govern ourselves, period. The Cuban people never achieved political maturity as the American people have in that regard.
    But yet I stand by the fact that the two much maligned Cuban dictators Geraldo Machado and Fulgencio Batista were the ones who built much of the country’s infrastructure that Fidel Castro managed to destroy. That cannot be denied and is not making apologies for anyone, is just the facts.
    You claim that that I don’t do much for the cause of Freedom and Democracy in Cuba, well, I’m just telling it like it was.

  9. I heard this story (don’t know how accurate it is) that the reason Batista staged the 1952 coup was that he was approached by Cuban military officers while living in Daytona Beach with the claim that the Communist (through the Orthodox Party) were about to win the 1952 Presidential elections.
    Humberto corroborated this story as accurate (see what he wrote to me):
    You’re quite right, amigo. Batista was a relative latecomer to the ’52 coup plans. He was brought in by the military plotters as a figurehead. I heard this from some of the plotters themselves.
    Saludos!
    Humberto

  10. That Machado killed less does not make him an innocent. I am so glad to know that your family had such good relations with a murderer and a crook – congrats. Mussolini was nice sometimes as was Hitler – it didn’t make them good people. Fortunately Fidel has always been an a-hole so I don’t have to bring him up.
    Machado was democratically elected and did a great deal to develop Cuba BUT, then he decided to stick around and then he did oh how shall we say this…bad things.
    As for Batista, yes the military brought him in but first of all I can’t believe that the whole communist plot is such a deep dark secret that only Humberto seems to have figured it out. Any respectable conservative historian such as Suchlicki, the late Aguilar Leon, even Gomez will tell you that the communists in Cuba at the time had zero prospects. I’ll take their word over Humberto’s (sorry).
    As for the Ortodoxos they were no different than the populists that were en vogue throughout the region. The much dreaded Arbenz would not even launch his agrarian reform 3 months after Batista took power. Were they leftists – of course they were but have you actually read the constitution of 1940? Cuba was socialist on paper to begin with.
    Batista never took power because he believed in anything other than himself. The Sergeants revolt, his role in 33 and after – he may have ushered change but the driving force was his own personal ambition. Nothing wrong with that but it’s not as if he ever put country above self. The sergeants took over because they were frustrated, he helped the students because he wanted more…he then back stabbed the students and Grau because the Americans gave him an opening. It was always about Fulgencio – that he was a good steward of state doesn’t mean that he did cuz he was wrapped in the Cuban flag.
    The other presidents Cuba had were corrupt but they were democratically elected and because of that another party was going to win an election. That is the way democracy works but Batista stopped it.
    AS for talking to elders it has it’s place but you need to talk to more than one side. It is amazing how now every action committed by dictators, corrupt officers and government officials was always to save Cuba from communism. Unfortunately for them they never started talking that garbage until they ended up on 8th Street. As I mentioned the only politician ever to share power with the commies was Batista – so to say he was SAVING Cuba from them is absurd.

  11. Cardinal,
    1. My family were poor farmers that lived across the road from Machado’s country retreat and they did not have a good relation with Machado other than what I told you on the post. Don’t stretch it, as is not accurate at all.
    2. I assure you that the elders that relied me this information where modest, decent, hard working people that came from humble beginnings and did not stuff their mouths with some of the inaccuracies that you’re.
    Please don’t disrespect them, you show little class by expressing yourself that way.
    3. I found out after I posted that the information about the Bastista coup came from a book published here by Esteban Ventura Novo and Humberto who does plenty of research for his books must have probably found out himself as he went along. If you don’t want to believe him that your problem, not mines.
    4. For your information Eddy Chivas of the Orthodox Party was a Communist, and had a very good chance of being elected in 1952. By the way, my father knew him because Eddy frequented the business were my father worked, and I can assure you from the incidents that my father witnessed from Eddy Chivas that he was a total bullshit act. Eddy Chivas would have been a catastrophe for Cuba if elected to office.
    By the way, Eddy Chivas was one of Fidel Castro mentors in Cuba politics as Fidel was a member of the Orthodox.
    For someone who wants Cuba free and claims to be passionate about Cuba and its freedom you show plenty of disrespect for the old generations of Cubans in exile. Plus you have seen to rely in the MSM for your talking points and pick-up your cues from them.
    Believe me, the American media as a whole for the last 50 years has painted a very inaccurate negative picture of the Cuban reality before Castro and a very favorable one after the Revolution (so it figures). I would not go about drinking their kool-aid for a minute.
    But the Cuban reality and destruction cannot be hidden to those who witnessed the real Cuba before Castro (that’s the elders).
    But don’t worry because if you think that we’re defending the past, you might have an event tougher time dealing one day with the people in the island who still are defending Fidel Castro’s legacy while ignoring how much he destroyed Cuba (there are still plenty of those there now). I wonder what would you say to them.
    For me, I rather defend the past with all their flaws, as the Cuba of the last 50 years has been a complete bloody mess, much bloodier, much messier and more destructive than anything that Geraldo Machado and Fulgencio Batista put together ever did to Cuba.
    I don’t blame Fulgencio Batista dictartorship any more for what happened in Cuba that I blame the Cuban people that decided to follow Fidel Castro and engage in violent acts while spilling Cuban blood. The Revolution in Cuba in a way was brought by the hate and the envy that one social class had for the other.
    The truth is that even with all its flaws if you did not mess with Batista’s government in those days, the government would not have messed with you. Cannot say the same about Castro’s.
    Like Honey said to you on another post I sometimes wonder which side you’re on.

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