Fiscal/Environtmental Atrocity Voted In

Well, amigos. Many of us engage in ritual self-flagellation: “How did so many Cubans fall for Castro? Wasn’t his message transparently idiotic? (authoritarian) I mean, to all such “idealistic measures” there are questions: Who’s paying?…and how much?…demand?..supply?.. etc?”

Yet multitudes of morons (and scoundrels) hailed Castro?

Well, with the (narrow) passing of this “cap and trade bill,” let’s admit that 1959 era Cubans were not peculiar by their stupidity.

In brief: We’re now royally F***ED!

Unreal

21 thoughts on “Fiscal/Environtmental Atrocity Voted In”

  1. From Michelle Malkin:

    The 8 cap-and-tax Republican turncoats again are:
    Bono Mack (CA) (202) 225-5330
    Castle (DE) (202) 225-4165
    Kirk (IL) (202) 225-4385 (Plans to run for the Senate seat)
    Lance (NJ) (202) 225-5361
    LoBiondo (NJ) (202) 225-6572
    McHugh (NY) (202) 225-4611
    Reichert (WA) (202) 225-7761
    Smith (NJ) (202) 225-3765

    Jeff Flake (AZ) and John Sullivan (OK) were too busy somewhere in the U.S. to cast their vote.

    I will make it my mission in life to make sure these assholes don’t get elected again. I have family in AZ, NY, NJ and CA.

  2. This may not be over. The senate hasn’t passed it yet. And the winds are blowing. The tide may yet turn. Those phone lines were so busy, many couldn’t get to have their say or leave a message. It doesn’t matter if it was because so many were calling angry or if it was the congressman not interested. They know there is grand opposition.
    Many who voted for this in the house did so to please their left constituencies and did so thinking they were safe because it probably won’t pass in the senate.
    Don’t forget that many on the left got phone calls and e-mails warning them they must vote for this or else.

    This country is in big trouble and it is not because of Obama or Pelosi, it is because too many Americans are either on the wrong side or indifferent. We must rouse those who are indifferent. I don’t know how to . I try but I am getting nowhere.

  3. Any word yet on the Senate numbers ?

    Something tells me that the two Maine RINO’s will fold.

  4. pototo, the problem is that the first one was musket vs musket, this one would be shotgun vs apache helicopter & laser guided smart bomb.

    as for peaceful revolution, that depends on the popular tide, which sadly is swept up with the dear leader at the moment.

  5. pototo –

    Yep.

    Mr. Mojito –

    “the problem is that the first one was musket vs musket, this one would be shotgun vs apache helicopter & laser guided smart bomb.”

    From what I’m hearing (and at a growing pace) … the military (ranks) have pretty much picked which side they’d be on … Why do you think Obamao wants a ‘stronger’ civilian force?

    http://www.history.army.mil/faq/oaths.htm

    But you’re right. We need to begin taking away his power by voting out the bullshit sitters in 2010 … however, he is building himself and his power a cushion with all the damn czars he’s putting in place.

    BTW, do you think Iran would be well into 2 weeks of rock throwing and trash burning if they had a 2nd amendment?

    I’m just sayin’ … The US Constitution (which is the very first listed in the military “oath” to defend … then comes the POTUS … then comes their officers … and then ‘against enemies foreign and DOMESTIC’ … and that means those against the US Constitution, and in the last 6 months there has been quite an assault on said document) was set up by the Founding Fathers because they knew eventually we’d get to some degree of where we are right now … just that we would completely blow them away to see how far we have allowed this sin to grow.

    BTW, as I stated above which side the military would stand on … most atleast … in discussing this with Army, and mostly Marines, and asking them about their thoughts on this they usually recite that ‘oath’ to preface their answer to the question.

  6. We may be royally screwed but so is the environment. At some point, we are going to have to clean up the mess we’ve created on this planet. And it’s going to cost money.

    I know many of you disagree but I’ve yet to hear a better alternative than a market-based solution to this issue. Our pollution is getting out of control, and yes, something does need to be done about it. Even if it’s a Democrat leading the charge.

    This should not be a partisan issue, it’s a human issue. Just as the Cuba issue should not be a partisan issue either. It’s a human issue. We have to forget our partisan leanings and face facts. We’ve made a little mess here on earth, and cleaning it up will cost money.

  7. Im sick about this. Feel like Ive been stabbed in the back. Millions of Americans voiced theeir concerns but to no avail and it appears were are stuck with this…and much more to come Im afraid.

    I wont give up and will continue to voice my opposition to these Nazis(no apologies)while encouraging others to join in.

    I am getting real close to 60 and have never seen anything like this admin/congress before. Perhaps if we can get people like Rubio in office tables will turn.

  8. David Sandoval,
    If the environment is being screwed, go complain to China and India and the third world, who are doing most of the screwing and doing nothing to clean it up.
    If you are sincere about doing things to clean the environment, then you would consider the real jobs creating, real market based solutions of clean coal technology which is available now, and nuclear energy, the cleanest and most efficient energy available. France now gets, I think, 80% of its energy from nuclear and it has no CO2 problem at all.
    You are selective in your outrage. Only the government can fix this. Sorry, I have yet to see the way government fixes anything. The economy is in a mess because of all this government involvement already and we are in a deep recession because of this government administration, so how does it help jobs creation if everything costs so much more?
    Give me a break. The science isn’t even settled on this. I see my environment looking and smelling cleaner than it ever did in my lifetime. I see none of the end of the world predictions of the past twenty years coming true. You must have seen all those reputable scientists who disagree with your panic, or do you only read the ones who agree with you?
    My main point is if Americans want cleaner air, then private industry will bring it about.

  9. Not to mention that Nancy Pelosi is well aware that this bill (and who really knows all that is in it?) does nothing to clean the environment, is full of boondoggles for influential constituencies, and does nothing to help our energy problems; she knows all of that so well that she is calling it a jobs bill. And even that is a lie because the government never makes jobs; it only has the power to steal from some Americans to give favors for others.

  10. rrrod –

    “Nazi”, while very closely describing the fascism we are now getting into with this government has become a comfortable term to use, I suggest that our government in DC has taken on more than a fascist ideology with the people of this country and now seems to be entering something that can be likened to ‘religious’ dictatorship in their insisting of controlling EVERY aspect of our lives … So, I am now calling them the “the DC mullahs or clerics” … and partly in support of “free Iran”.

    Honey –

    Spot-on as usual. But you forgot something, Nancy, as well as others in Congress, have money invested in these ‘clean energy technologies’ like T Boone Pickens … Nancy seems to have invested the most. THEY will make millions off our backs.

    David Sandoval –

    In protest of Friday’s vote on this highest tax increase in the history of this country in order to finance the BIGGEST lie in the history of this planet (rivaling that of the Holocaust denial) … I officially refuse to recycle another damn thing. I’m done. They can kiss my ass 5 ways this side of never. Their science is junk, and they absolutely refuse to recognize real science to the contrary of their sci-fi fantasy they have been indoctrinating the masses with. This IS a religion for some in the GW cult, and a huge extortion of money for the pockets of others in that syndicate. The planet is cleaner now than it’s ever been … the sun directly effects the temps on this planet … there are MORE trees in this country now than when it was first settled, and guess what, they EAT CO2 … and what industry we have left in this country that hasn’t been shoved out by envios and gov. regulations IS cleaner.

    BTW, I was a smart-assed, fresh-faced kid in the 70’s when they were screaming “ice age” … Where is my ice age? I have this great down parka with wolf’s fur trim around the hood I’ve been holding onto and am just dying to wear it around the house while I stoke the fire in my fireplace with busted up furniture because the glaciers have swallowed up my house and trapped me inside.

    And can I tell you something else?

    If you could bring back the Founding Fathers and give them a crash course on what has been going on in this country and what the government has become, and I believe by the time they would get to the FDR era they would have had their fill, they would pull out their antiquated firearms and start shooting while screaming at us to join them. King George had NOTHING on this current US government. Why do you thing the FFs included Amendments 1 and 2?

    This bill had nothing to do with “climate’ … it’s ALL about controling the people through their money … THEIR MONEY.

  11. Quickly:
    Honey, I never said only the government can fix this. But this is a market-based solution, which is better than government-imposed rules. It’s a compromise. We are incentivizing industry to be clean. Because that needs to happen, otherwise they won’t do it, and haven’t done it.

    India and China need to do their part as well. It’s not fair. Some argue that “we trade with China, why not Cuba.” And the counterargument is “we should trade with LESS dictatorships, not MORE dictatorships.”

    The same way, we should pollute LESS, not more. Even though other countries polluting is bad, that doesn’t absolve our responsibility to take care of our environment. Once again, the US should lead the world.

    Drillanwr,
    If you think this country is cleaner than when we first settled it, I’ll invite you to come visit me in Jersey City or perhaps take a swim in the East River of Manhattan. No way what you’re saying is true. There may be more trees when this country was settled by the Pilgrims, but there was also NO INDUSTRY and NO FACTORIES at that time.

    Come on guys. The science is not junk. The overwhelming majority of reputable scientists agree that something is happening here. And using your eyes, you can see the pollution, the smog in LA, or even Beijing, where athletes were concerned about not being able to BREATHE. If you’re ignoring this, then I don’t know what to tell you. The science is correct.

    If you want to point to the fact that it’s a THEORY, then the only proof that will convince you is the kind of proof that it will be too late to do anything about.

    MY FINAL POINT:
    Let’s move toward energy independence, because that’s the main thing that gives people like Chavez and our friends in the Middle East importance. I would love to take that away from them — and have the US become a leader in the world again. We did it with the internet.

  12. By definition if the government is arranging it, especially this crowd in Washington, it cannot be a market based anything and it can never be a solution.

    Do you know what is in this bill? Neither do I or most of the congressmen who voted for it. Do you know what is in the 300 pages? Assuredly not. From all I have gleaned from those who have tried to read what is in it, there are many boondoggles to repay favors of contributors. There are ethanol subsidies. Ethanol is proven to waste much more than it cures and to make food cost more and there is still no proof that it is clean.

    Idealism is lovely. But realism is better. Have you seen the hundreds of reputable scientists who dispute this theory? What about the warnings of twenty years ago that we would be under water by now?

    At the rate this administration is going you soon won’t have to worry about industry or factories anymore in this country. So we not only won’t have those terrible polluters, we won’t any longer have the wherewithal to clean anything.
    If it’s energy independence you are looking for, then you will have to have the patience to wait until this administration is stopped either by a conservative congress or by being voted out. This crowd is not interested in any of that.

  13. [[MY FINAL POINT:
    Let’s move toward energy independence, because that’s the main thing that gives people like Chavez and our friends in the Middle East importance. I would love to take that away from them]]

    Oh … I totally agree. GREAT! Something we agree on! Drill on our own territories. Offshore, shale fields in the northern midwest regions … and ANWR. Build more refineries asap. Tap into clean coal fuel technology. Leave the corn to animals and movie theaters … Build safe nuke plants. We have allowed our government to rule with moronic ideology. Guess what … They are NOT supposed to rule over us. They want to ‘regulate’, lay down the rules to follow in doing these things in the most efficient and clean manner … but let us do them!

    As to industry … there was a hell of a lot more during the first and better part of the 20th century than we could even ever hope to regain now in the first half of the 21st century. There was more pollution during the decades leading up to WWII, and there after during the baby boom era. WWII polluted more continents than non-war industrial periods. Perhaps we shouldn’t have fought WWII? I KNOW … because I live in an area where steel mills were king, and every other business diversified off from them. Now they’re gone, and very shortly the car industry in my area will also be gone … It’s already on its way out.

    The pollution in your state is a result of the corruption in your state and your neighboring state of NY. You flock to and jam your big cities, and just assume your trash and residue will magically be taken care of. A lot of palm-crossing is not the fault of the rest of us whom you and the GW cult not insists WE have to conform to your idea of some almighty cure that puts us back to a time when life expectancy was roughly 20-30 yrs younger, Infant mortality was horrific, and we were at the mercy of ‘the day’ and not masters of our destiny.

    I’ll tell people like you what I tell antiwar trogs … go preach it to the other side … in the case of war the enemy we’re fighting who continue their attacks … in GW go convert India and China … then maybe we’ll listen to you. But stop trying to dictate our lives … and in the process stealing our hard earned money and using it against us.

    Now, go check out Spain, whose path we’re following with this cap and trade, green industry/jobs BS … they are falling flat on their faces and have obliterated their economies.

    One more thing, we keep looking to all these other socialistic practices and imposed laws on our freedoms. NEXT healthcare … something those very same socialized countries are trying their damnedest to get the hell out of … Those people come to the US for advanced and excellent care in a timely manner that doesn’t involve picking out their coffins.

    For the record I said there were more trees here than when we first settled … NOT less pollution. During that time as I stated life expectancy was much shorter, people were constantly sick and sickly, their statures were shorter and smaller. Thanks but no thanks … I’ll take progress. You keep the junk science … and it IS junk science. BTW, is it good or bad now to drink coffee? I’ve lost track … every 6 months these ‘experts’ change their loopy minds.

    We’ll be taken out by an asteroid before GW actually becomes anything even remotely resembling reality … or science.

  14. Do you know one of the things that was in those 300 pages added on that no one read, that Boehner began reading? Only one thing – before you can sell your house federal agents have to come inspect your appliances, windows, everything in there to pass it to allow you to sell it. Can you picture federal government bureaucrats being able to bully us like that? There are thousands of details. This is just one.
    Freedom anyone?
    It’s nostalgia time.

  15. It’s roughly an hour’s worth of video from the House floor where he displays the bullshit in just the last minute 300+ page amendment dropped in @ the wee hours of the night before the vote … and the fact that the damn bill wasn’t even really written yet is in play.

    So, get a beer …

    John Boehner Explains Why The Cap and Trade Bill Is “A Pile Of Sh*t”

    http://infidelsparadise.com/?p=10099

  16. Has anyone read the 300 pages? I haven’t. Have you?

    I’m talking in broader terms. It’s a fact that industry pollutes. And there need to be laws that prevent that pollution. And cleaning it up is going to cost money. It’s going to hurt, but it has to happen.

    And our solutions thus far have NOT worked. Now, we could just ban all carbon emissions outright. That would work, but cripple our economy.

    A market-based solution (such as giving financial incentives to not pollute, and disincentives to pollute) is better. I believe in the free market, but we also need to have SOME SORT OF STRONGER REGULATION because we are damaging our environment and poisoning our land.

    There may be some dissent in scientific circles as to how severe the damage will be from global warming. Some have said we would be underwater. Those were extremists. But the overwhelming majority of scientists agree that what we’re doing now is harmful. There is some dissent, as there should be, but very few serious non-partisan scientists take that view seriously.

    I’m against socialized healthcare. I am not in favor of crippling our economy. I believe in the free markets. But as we’ve seen with Wall Street, sometimes greed and overcomplexity can get out of control. We need some sort of way to regulate industry and prevent excess pollution.

    A cap and trade system is a middle ground, in my view. Instead of shutting the factories down.

    More importantly, we need to become world leaders in the tech industry. China, India, and other countries are kicking our ass in math, science, and technology. Energy efficiency, clean technologies, that’s the next phase. Instead of fighting it, let’s become leaders in this. Poise America to be the ones selling clean technologies to the rest of the world, instead of buying petroleum from the likes of Chavez.

    We need to create financial incentives, and encourage Americans to lead the world, instead of living in the post-WWII world. Yes, we were leaders then. If we want to keep our dominance, we gotta keep up. That’s a market-based solution.

    Finally, I’m sorry, that “more trees” argument doesn’t convince me. We may have had more trees back in 1600 but we had no factories either. And we wouldn’t have seen an effect when they first started. The reasonable time to expect an effect would be AFTER several decades of heavy industry, not BEFORE.

  17. “And there need to be laws that prevent that pollution. And cleaning it up is going to cost money. It’s going to hurt, but it has to happen.”

    Says who? Algore? You seem to forget, or choose to, that the ‘money’ that all this unicorn dust needs comes from us.

    “Now, we could just ban all carbon emissions outright. That would work, but cripple our economy.”

    And THIS crap and tax WON’T? As if we are not already on that economic road to ruin right now. Ever play Monopoly? When you’re out of money you’re out of money … quite usually you go out in a deep deficit … not breaking even. You get blood from a stone and we’ll talk.

    “There may be some dissent in scientific circles as to how severe the damage will be from global warming…But the overwhelming majority of scientists agree that what we’re doing now is harmful. There is some dissent, as there should be, but very few serious non-partisan scientists take that view seriously.”

    Oh really? Some? Hmmm … I’m hearing more and more who WERE on board with the whole GW thing are falling off. And WHY is it opposition ONLY to GW is viewed as “partisan”? THAT is quite a socialist tactic and shutting down debate. And that’s a fact.

    “A cap and trade system is a middle ground, in my view. Instead of shutting the factories down.”

    Unicorn dust … What factories we now have WILL be shutting down, or severely cutting back, putting MANY people out of work. In Spain for every “green job” supposedly created atleast 2 jobs were lost. =I hope you’re not a businessman or doctor because those aren’t very good stats. Cap and trade is NOT “middle ground” … it’s government dictatorship.

    “More importantly, we need to become world leaders in the tech industry. China, India, and other countries are kicking our ass in math, science, and technology.”

    You really don’t want to go down the lib/leftist teacher’s union driven public school system in this country with me.

    BTW, the “more trees” argument is there to show you enviro-folks are never satisfied … we need more trees … well, we have them, but according to you (as I suspected) it’s no biggie.

    “We need to create financial incentives, and encourage Americans to lead the world, instead of living in the post-WWII world. Yes, we were leaders then. If we want to keep our dominance, we gotta keep up. That’s a market-based solution.”

    That’s really very funny … Yeah, because government can not force incentive. The only people who have any incentive in this dog race are the ones pushing the hell out of it … Algore, Pelosi, et al, who have either already made money from it or have in vested in hopes of making money from it … Pelosi has between 50K-100K already invested. I’d say her pushing this damn bill through was criminal … were she a republican the networks, and you, would be screaming about such ‘conflict of interest’.

    And if you want so much to stop buying oil from Hugo-The-Hut and the Saudis perhaps drilling on our own land and offshores IS the best way around that.

    No?

    Too bad.

  18. Oye hermano! I think you have me pegged as some sort of environmental wacko liberal. Which I’m not. But I do see a need to have some sort of stronger regulation to prevent pollution. You don’t have to be a socialist to want a cleaner environment. You don’t have to be Pelosi or Gore. And yes, that clean up will cost us, the citizens, money. But how else will we undo the damage we’ve clearly caused? It’s gonna suck. But the alternative sucks worse.

    Drilling our own territory is a short term fix. We need new technology. We should invest in it. But our public school system is falling behind. We were leaders in the 1950’s. Why are you fixated on 1950’s technology?

    Instead of getting more fuel for the machines of the 1950’s (and older), I think we should be the ones building the machines of 2010 and selling them to the rest of the world. Look to the future, my friend.

    That’s a future where nobody’s buying oil from Chavez or the Saudis, but is buying electric cars from the USA. Mejor, no?

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