Today’s winner of the “How Quick Can I Contradict My Own Argument” Contest

The main problem most (if not all) pro-dialogue and anti-embargo proponents have with their reasoning is that the arguments they present contradict themselves. Sometimes it only takes them a few sentences while some of the more adept amongst them can spew out a few paragraphs before cutting themselves off at the knees.

Today we bring you an example that perhaps has broken the world record on how quickly a person can contradict their own argument. He is Texas State Representative Jose Menendez, and according to this Texas Tribune article where his quote appears, his father is a Bay of Pigs veteran. All that proves, however, is that the acorn can definitely fall far, far, far, from the tree.

Despite the continued rift, some Texas lawmakers are open to expanding even more financial and diplomatic avenues with Cuba. State Rep. Jose Menendez, D-San Antonio, authored and successfully passed a resolution in 2001 requesting that Congress ease up on its trade sanctions with Cuba.

“I have been convinced for quite some time that the only people that are suffering in Cuba because of the trade embargo are everyday folks,” he said. “Castro and his lieutenants, the people that are in with the Communist Party government — they are all living well with the European and Mexican investments that are going on there.”

So let me get this straight: If the US drops the embargo and trades freely with Cuba, this will help the Cuban people. To support and bolster this argument, you cite the fact that all the unfettered trade the regime has with Europe and Mexico–which you would like the US to enjoy–does not help the Cuban people and actually helps Castro, his lieutenants, and members of the Communist Party “live well.”

Yeah… right. That makes total and complete sense.

Congratulations Jose: You are today’s WINNER!

13 thoughts on “Today’s winner of the “How Quick Can I Contradict My Own Argument” Contest”

  1. Sadly, south TX is crammed full of ignorant, misguided, leftist miscreants (as Mark calls them), whether they hail from Cuba or Mexico or elsewhere. Along the border, they vote overwhelmingly with the left and have done so for years. It is a very difficult problem to overcome, because these people who for the most part were born in the US, have been totally brainwashed and it takes time and hard effort to crack the concrete built around their brains; that’s a small personal goal of mine. That’s why we Cubans need an aggressive re-education campaign for these “fellow hispanics” who are decent and socially conservative people, but whose politics in other areas are totally insane. Thank you, welfare system.

  2. Not to mention that Cuba gets from the U.S. more food and medical stuff than from anywhere else in the world and none of that gets to the Cuban people, either.
    But I tried to point that out to Flake and it didn’t make a dent in his idea that if the U.S. were to flood Cuba with visitors, we would overwhelm their infrastructure. He said all of the rest of the tourism combined could never equal the explosion allowing U.S. tourists to go there would mean. That overwhelming of their economy would bring down the government. That was his argument.
    I think it’s ridiculous because Castro and company still decide who gets in and if he didn’t want them in he’d find a way to deny them access. When I tried to tell Flake that, he said that bolsters his argument because then the world would see the tyrant for what he is. Also nutty, because anyone who doesn’t see how evil these guys are down there already is never going to see anything except what they want to.

    I wrote a comment praising Rubio on youtube. The responses were so off the wall.
    One guy said that socialism and communism are excellent and I should learn to grow with the times and not stick to my old prejudices. He claimed that the internet and google were socialistic, communistic enterprises and everyone had to admit that.
    So I told him the executives and employees of google would be perplexed to hear him call their enterprise socialistic which means government owned and regulated, and not for profit.
    I told him I had no idea what he was talking about and I suspected neither did he and that people who didn’t know what they were talking about shouldn’t advertise it.

  3. Cuba can trade with any and everybody but the US – yet it is in a s***hole. The problem is not the embargo but rather the system. Which, quite frankly, is why I don’t want the embargo. It is nowhere near a powerful a tool as we think it is nor nowhere near a powerful as an impediment to growth that they think it is. Maybe when everyone stops talking about the embargo we can discuss what matters.

  4. “powerful a tool” “impediment to growth” — that’s not the point. It’s a statement of what we stand for, what we believe in: freedom of speech, a free press, the right of the individual to reach his/her potential. All those American values. Appeasement never works.

  5. ranavy33,
    That’s why I loved Rubio’s speech which brought out this idea so clearly.

    Cardinal,
    What does the fact that Cuba is a mess have to do with stopping the embargo? I don’t want the embargo as a tool or a gimmick; I just wish the whole world understood that we should take a stand against tyranny and ostracize evil ones. It would work if it were universal. But the fact that others don’t agree doesn’t make it wrong even if used only as a statement of how this regime is unacceptable. I’m with Sharansky and wish the whole world agreed with him on this.

  6. first the historical reasons for the embargo has absolutely nothing to do with “making a statement.” It’s basically about the appropriation of US property and holdings. Like anything the US does – the moral equation is always added on there as window dressing in the end. I have never and will never say that we should unilaterally drop the embargo – that is just plain idiotic.

    The embargo is a gimmick. We are Cuba’s largest supplier of foodstuffs – what kind of an embargo is that? Saudi Arabia and China easily kill more of their citizens than Castro Inc. so there is no point on getting high an mighty about our ideals. The embargo is a joke something to entertain our time – it does nothing and accomplishes less. When people debate about Cuba the first thing they bring up is the stinking freaking embargo – not the lack of freedoms, deprivation, corruption, moral decay, urban decay, etc. It’s the stinking freaking embargo that keeps Cuba on everyone else’s lips. I’m tired of it.

  7. When people debate about Cuba the first thing they bring up is the stinking freaking embargo – not the lack of freedoms, deprivation, corruption, moral decay, urban decay, etc. It’s the stinking freaking embargo that keeps Cuba on everyone else’s lips. I’m tired of it.

    That’s not the fault of the embargo, Cardinal. It’s people who don’t want to bother to dig beneath the surface and discover the truth. And that only describes the good-intentioned folks.

  8. Honey Mr. Molleda et al let me get this straight, you propose to bring freedom to Cuba by restricting the freedoms of individuals and corporate entities within the US?

    I am opposed to the emabrgo and travel restrictions simply because it restricts the rights of individuals to travel and trade as they please (on their own dime).

    Cardinal is correct its not the emabrgo ITS THE SOCIALIST SYSTEM S***** that has destroyed Cuba and its once robust economy.

    lifting the embargo (sans any taxpayer backed credit) and travel restrictions is not appeasement it would show respect for individual rights here in the USA. I wonder if some of you don’t have a bit of Castro lurking inside of you?

    PS
    Personally i’ve never been to Cuba nor would I invest a wooden nickel there since Castro’s have a history of theft (like all other commies), but if some other fool wants to try his luck so be it, its his money ain’t it? Go ahed call me a commie or a tonto util, but before you do take a good hard long look in the mirror (45+ years of embargo has really done the trick right?)

  9. Cato,
    How many times does it have to be said? ther is no embargo. Countries everywhere trade with Cuba.
    But if every free country stopped trade and tourism and staved the government out, it would fall very quickly.
    We can’t get that, but at least we can not give our aid and comfort to these creeps. I wish we didn’t give them the food and medicines we do.

  10. “But if every free country stopped trade and tourism and staved the government out, it would fall very quickly.”

    Honey the only way countries could do this is by restricting the rights of their own citizens, hence they would cease being free countries.

    “Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.”

    Napoleon

  11. Cato- revisit the story of the end of apartheid in So. Africa. No one has to take away anyones rights. If Hollywood, and more importantly the media were honestly doing their job, there would be a demand to blockade Cuba until free elections took place. Where are the MTV videos for a free Cuba and Dr. Biscet?

  12. Cato,

    I wonder if some of you don’t have a bit of Castro lurking inside of you?

    Invoking and using Castro as a comparison to those who believe the embargo has a purpose (albeit one which has veered a bit from its original intent) is something those without real basis behind their arguments employ. As has been stated in this thread and countless others here, the U.S. is one of Cuba’s largest trading partners. U.S. companies can do business with Cuba, under certain limitations, of course. Those limitations are intended to protect American businesses and taxpayers as much as anything else, as Cuba hasn’t been an honest trade partner with other countries at the cost of millions of dollars (you admit as much in calling Castro a thief).

    It’s not just “his money”, it’s OUR money. “So be it” shouldn’t be an acceptable premise or outcome in this case.

  13. ZIVA I also would like too see more of these hollywood types get involved and its a bit fustrating to see them drool over a murderous tyrant, BUT that does not justify using the power of government to curb commercial and travel rights (that is a slippery slope).

    Mr. Molleda I stated clearly that no US Gov Backed credit should be extended to Cuba and while I’m on the subject NO other country either. It is not “our” money it was earned by either you me or someone else, until it is taken from us with the implied threat that if you do not pay you will go to prison (see Thoreau and others),then it becomes “ours.”

    When did “we” ever authorize our government to give “our” money to other countries.

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