We should just shut up

From El Nuevo Herald comes this declaration:

“Hay una serie de personajes en Miami que ayudarían enormemente si se callaran la boca porque no nos ayudan”, dijo el viernes a El Nuevo Herald el disidente y economista Oscar Espinoza Chepe, residente en la isla.

Let me translate,

“There are some personalities in Miami that would help us a great deal if they just kept their mouth shut. They are not helping us,” declared dissident and economist Oscar Espinosa Chepe [a/k/a “Cheque”], resident of the island.

Really. Really? So, you want us to do what you and the other 73 have done?

No thank you. For over 51 years the exile community in Miami and elsewhere has been the primary source of the truth of what the reality of the island is. You and the other 73 have gladly sucked on the exile tit for a long time. Now that you’ve found a bigger tit with more milk you want us to shut up and go away? We’re in America. We say what we want to say and when we want to say it. We don’t need marching orders to open our mouths.

39 thoughts on “We should just shut up”

  1. That piece of shit Espinosa-Chepe remains a Socialist and probably still harbors full-blown Marxist beliefs. He’s just upset that Castro won’t let him intellectualize about how to ‘perfect’ that screwed up system. He can go f..k himself, along with all the others that are helping to solidify and perpetuate that monstrosity.

    Sure feels like we’ve been played for fools by these ‘dissidents’ that at one point cheered loudly in support of the Revolution. I say again, that island appears to be beyond repair. F..k’m, don’t let anymore come, don’t give them another penny and then see what happens.

  2. Tell Espinosa-Chepe that this is the Cuba we want restored:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEMYLkpYxX8

    A Cuba built on free markets and free minds, in spite of our cultural propensity to degrade into political disarray. A Cuba that had warts, but like the US, still provided the opportunity for smart, energetic country boys and their urban equivalents to move out of poverty and become successful. A Cuba that allowed for addressing the inequities that existed without destroying the prosperity that made it a true Shining Star in the Caribbean. A Cuba with hope, not generalized despair. A truly progressive nation and not the shit-hole he and his kind have built over the past 50 years.

    In fact, look carefully at the people walking down the Prado and you’ll see another example of the potential that island had – the true racial picture of Cuba, not the distorted lies that have been created.

    Tell Espinosa-Chepe he can shove it. Because many of us here either knew that beautiful Cuba, or have been told the stories, good and bad, of what a truly wonderful nation it was. So, we’re not going to shut up, and we will continue to ‘out’ all of those who helped destroy it and those who would perpetuate the 51-year nightmare.

  3. It evidently escapes Mr. Chepe that: (a) He is not entitled to tell anybody anywhere to shut up, and (b) the people he wants to shut up probably have no desire to help him or those like him. Of course, he may have delusions of grandeur. It happens.

  4. Ya see, that’s the thing with socialists/communists/Marxhits … They always think they can do it better than the previous thug. Just look WHAT we’re dealing with in our own government.

    This is also what leads the limo-lib elite (see Hollywood, et al) to believe commie-Cuba or any other communist regime just needs a bit of tweeking … but those deaths, political prisoners, and poverty … well, that’s those vampire capitalists’ fault in America.

    You can always tell the biggest champions of this bullshit never have had to live under it.

    Some people’s comfort zones need “tweeking”.

  5. This hijo de puta needs to SHUT his dirty f#cking Commie mouth and remove it off of Raul’s nuts@ck!

    Listen Chepe, we’re not fighting for your freedom in Cuba, we’re fighting for your incarceration once Cuba is free!

  6. Honestly, the rhetoric surrounding this thing is getting a tad out of hand. I understand — and even consider myself to be mostly in line with — the “hard line” stances on this blog, but it seems like sometimes you guys are grasping at straws for excuses to post angry rants.

    Nothing in that article tells us anything about the context in which that comment was made, and nothing in that article singles anybody out.

    So given that that could have been said with any number of people or groups in mind, George, are you really prepared to say that there are NOT people about whom his statement is absolutely correct? Is there really nobody you can think of who talks a big game (even a big “hard line” game) but does very little — perhaps nothing — to actually help people in Cuba?

    You and I might not like everything Chepe has to say, but to argue that he and others do nothing but opportunistically suck on an exile tit is downright ridiculous.

    A comment Val has made to me on numerous occasions with regards to many a more left-leaning dissident comes to mind: And that comment was that it’s important to keep in mind the country these people grew up in. It’s nearly impossible for none of their views to be products of that environment and those surroundings. It’s only natural.

    When we forget that and start slinging these sorts of insults at people as if their signing this letter necessarily means they don’t want freedom in Cuba, it’s evident that we’ve made the unfortunate mistake of forgetting the sacrifices they’ve made… like spending nearly two years in the Castro’s prison cells only to be released because of the adverse effects of prison to Chepe’s health.

    I hope that, in the future, we’re not so quick to place people in categories of “closest friends” and “bitterest enemies”. Some clearly belong in one category or the other. but not everyone needs to.

    Just my two cents.

    On a more grateful note: Thanks to all of you at Babalú for keeping us abreast of the things swirling around this letter.

  7. nicolas….I agree with you. Because I don’t understand this letter and don’t have the context of these signatures, I am not ready to make a snap judgment. And, like you, I don’t know the context of the request for us to stop talking about it, and I would like to wait and see and understand more. It might not be a bad idea to give this matter less attention for a while.
    drillanwr, in any context, what you say here is classic and should be understood by everyone as absolute truth.

  8. Sure thing, Nicolas. We’ll invite Chepe and the other vendepatrias over for a cafecito and we can discuss it rationally and calmly. Of course. You know what? I think we’ve had just about enough deceit and treachery for a lifetime, from the leaders of the Cuban hell-hole, all the way down to the so-called “dissidents” who sell themselves for thirty pieces of silver to dialogueros. You want to be reasonable, be my guest. But don’t fucking come here and lecture me about what I should or shouldn’t say. Got it?

  9. Honey:

    The fact that these dissidents might be of the opinion that the embargo should be lifted is not the issue here. The issue is that a group of individuals here in the US who are interested only in the millions of dollars they can make doing business with the Cuban dictatorship made an all out effort to use these dissidents to advance their cause.

    Exacerbating the situation is the fact that these dissidents, either knowingly or unknowingly, allowed themselves to be used by this group and put their name on a document with a prime purpose of not helping them, but benefiting the individuals here in the states who drafted it and the regime these individuals plan on doing business with.

  10. Look at Amaya’s pictures in the post above this. This is the regime that the “dissidents” indirectly help when they sign a stupid letter that benefits no one but the Kapos in Miami and the regime itself. Stupid, immoral, self-serving.

  11. By signing the document they are playing into the hands of the Communist Government. I am afraid that some of these dissidents just want castro light. If their design is to play for their freedom through this angle than I just assume not have any part with them.

  12. George,
    If you want to take what I said as a lecture, there’s very little I can do about that. All I can do is make it clear that I’m just offering some food for thought (which I did). It’s odd to me that you’d react that way to someone offering a different (and, might I add, only slightly different) perspective when you’re broadcasting your opinions on a blog with a comments section.
    Anyway, I’m not saying we need to join “dialogueros” or give what they say more credence. I’m just saying we can treat that as misguided and naive rather that hostile. That’s all.
    Hope this finds you well, man.

  13. Nicolas, I blew my cork yesterday with you and I shouldn’t have. I’m sorry. The Amaya pictures threw me over the edge. I’m just thoroughly disgusted with the whole situation.

  14. “La carta es una traicion a la memoria de Orlando Zapata Tamayo..El
    embargo esta aqui en Cuba…Llevaremos los mismos ideales de Zapata
    hasta las ultimas consecuencias..Los Castro son asesinos..no se les
    puede levantar el embargo..muertos primero antes que claudicar..” Reina
    Luisa Tamayo Danger
    …QUE DIOS BENDIGA, GUIE Y LA PROTEJA DE TODO MAL A ESTA VALIENTE MADRE!
    GRACIAS!

  15. One thing that no one here has mentioned: This isnt just about Cuba, its about US POLICY. and as an American, if I have a problem with the US dealing with a tyrant, it isnt only my right, but my duty to speak up.

  16. Natan Sharansky said just that in The Case for Democracy. That is an essential book.
    So what George said to Val. Me too.

  17. “Tell Espinosa-Chepe that this is the Cuba we want restored: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEMYLkpYxX8

    A Cuba built on free markets and free minds, in spite of our cultural propensity to degrade into political disarray. A Cuba that had warts, but … “.

    By warts, I guess you mean Batista and his corrupt government, death squads, and street executions?

    Lol, you Babalu boys and girls are too much. Still pining for ol’ Batista. I guess Batista wasn’t all that bad if he was on your side and your quisling family prospered under his rule.

  18. Fuzzy_Bunny,
    Selective indignation, selective reading. You represent the most mindless of this country.
    Go get a life elsewhere and write you nonsense elsewhere.
    You never pay attention, so what you have to say can never matter.

  19. “I guess Batista wasn’t all that bad”

    That right asshole, compared with Fidel Castro and the whole destruction he has brought to Cuba Batista wasn’t that bad.

    The last fifty-one years are historical proof of it, but I guess you like Fidel Castro more, somehow I’m not surprised you showing your red colors.

    I wonder for how much longer your BS will be tolerated around here. I suspect that very soon the curtain will close on you for good.

  20. Honey: “Selective indignation, selective reading.”

    Not at all. Castro is a murderer, thug, dictator, let’s all pray for his end.

    But to minimize Batista’s Cuba by saying that his system only had “warts”. Come on. That sounds just like a member of the Aryan brotherhood, defending Hitler.

  21. “That right asshole, compared with Fidel Castro and the whole destruction he has brought to Cuba Batista wasn’t that bad.”

    Lol. And I suppose next you will be telling us that Mussolini made the trains run on time, and Hitler did wonders for the German economy.

  22. Go back and read what we have previously posted many times here at Babalu regarding Batista but even with all his wrongs you cannot compare him to Fidel Castro and his fifty-one years of Cuba’s destruction, case closed…

  23. “That right asshole, compared with Fidel Castro and the whole destruction he has brought to Cuba Batista wasn’t that bad.”

    I stand by that statement above and it has nothing to do with Hitler or Mussolini (and you know), so stop your bullshit tactics…

  24. “By warts, I guess you mean Batista and his corrupt government, death squads, and street executions? ”

    Pass me the barf bag,

    How much more corrupted Fidel Castro, his generals and the top hierarchy of the Cuban Communist Party are today asshole?

    Way much more corrupted that anything Batista and his government cronies ever did or dared to do.

    Today Fidel Castro’s goons own the whole island of Cuba (unlike Batista in his heyday).

    How much the Cuban people prostitute themselves today to the foreign tourists?

    On a much larger and sicker scale (fourteen year old prostitutes themselves for $5 a pop) that Cuba ever saw any time before in its history.

    How many more people Fidel Castro have killed than Batista did?

    I bet you for one person in Cuba Batista had killed more than ten has been killed by Fidel Castro and his regime.

    Streets executions? please…

    If Batista was such the killer you claimed he surely was an idiot because he did not kill the Castro brothers, Che Guevara, Camilo Cienfuegoes and the others who were the real treat to him that needed to be killed to avoid the Revolution’s triumph.

    Fidel Castro has not made that same mistake as he has killed anyone that could be a real treat to him. He surely wasn’t messing around (unlike Batista) with any of his real enemies as today they’re all six feet below ground or rotting in jail.

    You’re so full of BS bringing Batista into an unrelated topic to try to insult us that is pathetic as it is obvious you’re trying to disguise who you really are and what agenda you’re after.

    Jackass…

  25. Puhleeeeeze!

    In the couple years I’ve been coming to Babalu I have never heard anyone praising Batista. You take the above ‘minimalist’ remark about him completely out of context. Obviously the corrupt bastard was able to be overthrown. Che/Castro weren’t the only ones looking to do so, they just got to him first.

    That said, yours is the argument I am now hearing from inside our own country:

    ObamaCare: Well, I suppose those of you who oppose Obama Care would do away with Medicare/etc., or the VA

    Ummm, no. 1) NEVER do away with services to our military, current or former. THAT is outlined in the US Constitution. National healthcare and welfare is NOT. And don’t point out the “General Welfare” clause … I’ll get to that in a mic.

    Regarding Social Security/Medicare/etc. those things have been in place for decades and the nation cannot simply just dump them. Phase them out for alternatives (see: Paul Ryan’s “Road Map for America”) for future generations. You cannot dump off a whole generation who depends on those government programs currently. You can, however, allow the private sector to offer better choices for current and future generations to look to on their own.

    2) The current bullshit handling in the Gulf by the feds. “OH! NOW you want the government to do something?? So much for your Tea Party, conservative blather about smaller government, blah-blah-blah”

    “The General Welfare” IS the situation in the Gulf. What is going on directly effects a natural resource in the Gulf waters, and inland territories. The wildlife, fish and the ability for those coastal areas durectly in the path of the disaster. YES, the feds have a duty to either step in and solve the problems, or get out of the way and allow local/state government and the private sector to do the job. Antiquated laws (Jones Act) and refusing outside help because of such has been asinine, to say the least.

    But I’ve digressed horribly here to make the point that your side of the debate is unsustainable, and had the Cuban population been given the choice between the “lesser of two evils” they obviously would have chosen Batista to deal with … Instead, they have been roped and chained with over 50 years of a communist regime headed by a condensed Stalin.

    As a non-Cuban I am outraged that anyone would come in here and assume those who have a Cuban history of actually longing for the days of Batista … when I (and they) know full well it is a canard overly used by those who seek to boost-up the current regime. “Oh! Batista was backed by the USA … Ooooo, Crime Inc. Ahhh, Castro and the bloody commies gave the Cubans so much more hope and change …” Yeeeup.

    Capone or Hitler? Which would be easier to fight and overthrow?

    Oh, and before you try … No, just because the castro Klan has been in power for over 50 yrs the Cubans should just accept it (should you try to cite my Social Security/Medicare argument) is not a valid point to try and make here.

    If you choose to do so, do it at your own risk. I believe George is on the verge of going postal any mic here.

  26. Maggie,

    In regards to your post you know, everything happening today it’s all George W. Bush’s fault…lol

    Obama walks on water and has no flaws, if you have any doubts please refer to the MSM for advice.

    “But I’ve digressed horribly here to make the point that your side of the debate is unsustainable, and had the Cuban population been given the choice between the “lesser of two evils” they obviously would have chosen Batista to deal with … Instead, they have been roped and chained with over 50 years of a communist regime headed by a condensed Stalin.”

    You mailed it…

  27. Correction,

    “But I’ve digressed horribly here to make the point that your side of the debate is unsustainable, and had the Cuban population been given the choice between the “lesser of two evils” they obviously would have chosen Batista to deal with … Instead, they have been roped and chained with over 50 years of a communist regime headed by a condensed Stalin.”

    You nailed it…

  28. Batista killed 20,000

    Fidel & Co shot 14,000 + drown another 50,000 + exiled another 1,000,000 + enslaved 11,000,000

  29. That’s right Mr. Mojito, no comparison whatsoever…

    You may want to add the many dead in Cuban jails under the Castro regime and the many lost at sea in the Florida straits.

  30. Sorry Mr. Mojito, you did make that note regarding the drownings. Actually we’ll never know that exact number.

  31. I would dare to say that the direct and indirect deaths of the Castro regime in Cuba for the last fifty one years are well over the hundred thousand mark.

  32. drillanwr,
    A propos of nothing, In Pat Toomey’s excellent book, The Road to Prosperity, he explains perfectly how to privatize Social Security.
    He explains a lot of things perfectly. So smart and so clearly he explains.
    I asked him what he thinks of the Cuban embargo. Without a second’s hesitation he answered, “I am against lifting it.”

  33. I actually get offended by the claim that I support Batista, because I partially blame him for Fidel’s rise because of the 1952 coup. True, Batista was an incompetent boob and a brutal tyrant who used secret police and torture to hold on to power. Batista also suffered from longing to be “white” and this led him to mingle with the white mafia interests in an attempt at acceptance (It didn’t work as Batista was banned from the casinos himself for being mulatto).

    = With that said, Fidel took Batista’s brutality and sent it into over drive and for 6 times as long.

  34. Of course Castro has killed many more than Batista. I have never claimed otherwise. However, Castro has also been in power for decades longer.

    Do you honestly doubt that Batista would not have done the same, had his regime not survived in power longer. Rarely (if ever) do tyrants reform themselves, nor stop executions once they have developed a taste for them.

    This idea that one dictator with death squads and street executions is better than some other dictator with the same, I just find it disingenuous and enormously distasteful. Saying that the Batista regime had a few “warts” as someone earlier said, I mean, come on.

  35. “Saying that the Batista regime had a few “warts” as someone earlier said, I mean, come on.”

    Come on, and you’re comparing Batista to Castro which are two different animals.

    “Do you honestly doubt that Batista would not have done the same, had his regime not survived in power longer”

    There you go again as you exposed yourself one more time. I’m seriously beginning to think that you’re a troll.

    For the last time, NO…as bad as Batista was he was wasn’t as evil as Fidel Castro and would never been like Fidel Castro who has destroyed Cuba, its people and its way of life and, like Mr. Mojito said, enslaved the whole island.

    Batista was no more and no less than a third world dictator; Fidel Castro is a Stalinist tyrant with a thirst for blood and power that Batista would never match.

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